Lightning Lane Premier Pass

[C33Mom]

I misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about paying $25-$50 per person for unlimited rides of it - not per ride.

That's a whole other interesting take but nobody's waiting 2+ hours to ride that right now. There is no standby option to raw-dog a line through however long to get in it like has been the case with FOP since opening.. You either get a boarding group to come back in 1-8 (or however many) hours or you don't get picked. As far as I'm aware, those always run out... or you pay the $25 or so bucks if the LL hasn't already sold out.

So yeah, I guess charging people $50 to ride it each time, all they want is doable but I'm not sure even Disney wants that kind of PR hit when this was not announced as effectively being an exclusively pay-to-play-only attraction which is what such an option would effectively turn it into.

Ok, so we agree and I wasn’t clear enough that I meant paying per ride.

I actually think there’s some chance that single pass will sell out faster after CR goes off VQ, because it’s currently a manageable line if you know how to game the boarding group process (it’s rare for it to sell out in less than a few seconds at 1pm), but it could become a 2h line easily, which would be more worth skipping.

 

[Splash4eva]

Just went to BahMar, recent trips to Aruba and Grand Cayman - and how often do you visit WDW?

Do you not realize how different your life/travel experience is from the majority of people in America?

I mean, I'm not asking you to sympathise with them or feel sorry for them. Go ahead - look down on everyone who's not as well off as you and as well traveled as you and without as much experience to know what needs to be considered or looked out for as you.

But the degree you're expressing shock at their existence and calling them all stupid is... well, it's certainly a look.

Im far from well off for starters and this has nothing to do with money it has to do with the fact people are irresponsible im sorry how can you defend people who book trips w/o doing any research at all on what a trip will cost them. Especially those where money matters! Yes im sorry thats called stupidity. Judge me allll you want but go ahead and be empathetic to those who are irresponsible. Should we eliminate that debt as well for those who charge vacations and didnt realize it will cost them 25% in interest for their credit cards lol

 

[MrPromey]

Im far from well off for starters and this has nothing to do with money it has to do with the fact people are irresponsible im sorry how can you defend people who book trips w/o doing any research at all on what a trip will cost them. Especially those where money matters! Yes im sorry thats called stupidity. Judge me allll you want but go ahead and be empathetic to those who are irresponsible. Should we eliminate that debt as well for those who charge vacations and didnt realize it will cost them 25% in interest for their credit cards lol

Oh boy.

I'm sorry you're far from well off... I guess?

How did we get from people running into unexpected costs at Disney they may not be able to afford to people doing no research at all and being stupid?

Who said anything about people not paying their debt?

Did me mentioning people buying tickets at the gate trigger you?

Seriously, what are you going on about?

As for empathy, you may be the first person I've ever met who tried to frame that as a bad thing or do you just not know the difference between the words "empathy" and "sympathy"?

Like I said before, I'm not expecting you to be sympathetic towards this group.

I'm not defending anyone's poor life choices or implying that someone should be excused from what they do with their autonomy.

I was at first just trying to point out that, to your apparent disbelief, such people roam the earth and are customers who's money Disney would miss (maybe already are starting to miss without yet fully realizing it?) after your initial response to my half-serious comment.

Being far from well off yourself, it seems like the idea of such people would be a conceivable notion.

You're the one who doubled down by saying that to call them "stupid" would be "kind".

You left it up to everyone else's imagnation what the word you actually wanted to use was.

... which, you know, is an interesting way to turn the conversation on a Disney fan forum after being introduced to the notion that people who can't really afford a Disney vacation make up a chunk of people who try to go to Walt Disney World and especially after admitting you yourself are far from well off so it must impose some level of hardship on you to find your way there without going into debt, right?

Beyond that, I was just looking to coax a little decorum out of you that I guess may not exist.

Regarding judgement, I think you've been happy to do enough of that here for the both of us so I'll kindly bow out of this discussion with you, now.

 

[RSoxNo1]

@lentesta likes to break down surveys on his podcast, and one of the things he's discussed quite frequently are the income brackets Disney uses in this surveys. They're not equal based on range, but more likely equal based on % of guests.

My guess is that this is a play for the 2nd and 3rd highest income brackets. For simplicity purposes let's say that the this includes people making $250-400K a year. If this group is spending the same money as the group that's making $200-250K a year, Disney feels they're leaving money on the table.

This offering (and probably the $99 DVC offering) is a way of squeezing more money out of a specific subset of guests.

We all look at this as Disney being greedy because that's true. But we can also look at it from a "how did we get here" standpoint. I'm sure this started with survey work where they can lump in survey results with what they know that particular guests' spending to be.

This step up from traditional Lightning Lane is at a price point that caters to the upper echelon of AGI visitors to the park, but not the peak that would otherwise be buying the VIP tours. The other element here is that by paying for Premier Lightning Lane, you are not drawing attention to yourself or your wealth. By all accounts you are an average guest with Lightning Lane Multi Pass.

 

[MrPromey]

Ok, so we agree and I wasn’t clear enough that I meant paying per ride.

I actually think there’s some chance that single pass will sell out faster after CR goes off VQ, because it’s currently a manageable line if you know how to game the boarding group process (it’s rare for it to sell out in less than a few seconds at 1pm), but it could become a 2h line easily, which would be more worth skipping.

I'm not sure I agree it was your fault I misunderstood but I'll go with it.