Lightning Lane Premier Pass

[Ayla]

I really don't get why that bothers so many people. Personal opinions aside, we live in a capitalistic economic society. And I get that we can have a debate about stakeholder VS shareholders, but at the end of the day disney has an obligation to maximize profits. Capitalism doesn't stop at "this is your reasonable profit. You have enough now."

And while disney might be doing it to a level the other parks are not, line skip passes at other parks are by no means cheap. All the complaints from people just come off as sour grapes. I get being jealous regarding something one can't afford, but doesn't make Disney evil. They are a corporation and they will do whatever they can to reach maximum profits.

Like I said earlier, I am in the target demographic for this new greedy scheme and could easily afford the extra cost to the vacation. Purported jealousy has nothing to do with it for me - it's an absurd money-grab on top of the already numerous money grabs. At some point, people have to say enough is enough. I don't reward greed.

 

[Ayla]

I don’t think the reaction is because of the mythical Walt Disney figure or marketing, I think it’s because the people upset have been visiting long enough to remember how much the parks and resorts have changed in terms of additional charges and what the base experience offered in just under 5 years. Pre Covid Disney looked wildly different from this angle. Go back 10-15 and it’s even more drastic.

Yep.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Glares in failed Tomorrowland cabanas

Somehow I missed that entire thing. We didn't go to the park at that time. Probably for the best because my hubby would have hidden there all day, just sneaking out to procure food .

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

FWIW, i'm fully support criticizing. I'm more questioning why people seem to be taking it so personally, like they were personally afronted.

IDK, if you don't like it, don't buy it. But I see no problem with a company offering it to those willing.

Really how is this any different than people who are willing to buy Concierge class rooms for the sake of getting FP earlier? Or when they were offering concierge class and then you could buy extras above everybody else? This is just a changed version of that.

Idk that people were necessarily over the moon about the club level FP, however I think that was received differently because FP+ as a whole was free and this was just more of it (not a vastly superior product/experience). If memory serves, the club level extras allowed for 90 days vs the 60 days, but the real reason for purchase was it increased the prebooked to 6.

I do remember people being concerned about it being a test run of sorts to see how paid FP was received. My biggest personal concern with the Premier Pass is their verbiage that this is a pilot rollout seems to imply they want to go wider with this. I think the overall guest experience suffers when Disney has a heavy focus on plussing the extras, and not the base experience. Also see: the abundance of hard ticket events vs the much longer daily hours of years pass

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

Somehow I missed that entire thing. We didn't go to the park at that time. Probably for the best because my hubby would have hidden there all day, just sneaking out to procure food .

I think they brought food to you if desired

I remember being horrified that they were pricing these tents higher than a tower room at the Contemporary, which is right there lol.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Idk that people were necessarily over the moon about the club level FP, however I think that was received differently because FP+ as a whole was free and this was just more of it (not a vastly superior product/experience). If memory serves, the club level extras allowed for 90 days vs the 60 days, but the real reason for purchase was it increased the prebooked to 6.

I do remember people being concerned about it being a test run of sorts to see how paid FP was received. My biggest personal concern with the Premier Pass is their verbiage that this is a pilot rollout seems to imply they want to go wider with this. I think the overall guest experience suffers when Disney has a heavy focus on plussing the extras, and not the base experience. Also see: the abundance of hard ticket events vs the much longer daily hours of years pass

I could see that concern, but I more read it as being a pilot program because they were not sure if it would be successfu, like the TL Cabanas. I think it's more about testing the waters in terms of how many people buy it and how it affects lines. Because I could see the other problem where it is too successful, too many people buy it, and the lines back up since their is little control when they use it to enter a line.

 

[KrzyKtty]

I think they brought food to you if desired

I remember being horrified that they were pricing these tents higher than a tower room at the Contemporary, which is right there lol.

I would never see him again . That's his other favorite part of the volcano bay cabanas. Food is brought right to him like the little lazy man he is .

 

[KrzyKtty]

Like I said earlier, I am in the target demographic for this new greedy scheme and could easily afford the extra cost to the vacation. Purported jealousy has nothing to do with it for me - it's an absurd money-grab on top of the already numerous money grabs. At some point, people have to say enough is enough. I don't reward greed.

I am also in the target demo, and will use it if it sticks around long enough. Not having to rope drop to get on a top tier ride, not waking up at the crack of dawn to make LL res, not waiting in long lines, not walking back and forth all over the park..., it is worth it for my piece of mind.

 

[Drdcm]

I am also in the target demo, and will use it if it sticks around long enough. Not having to rope drop to get on a top tier ride, not waking up at the crack of dawn to make LL res, not waiting in long lines, not walking back and forth all over the park..., it is worth it for my piece of mind.

Is it just you/someone else or for a family? We have a family of three and it’s a real tough sell for us (especially MK) despite being able to afford this. If it was just me and my wife we might be more likely - but still probably not.

The actual cost breakdown is horrendous per ride as you would get quite a few of them naturally via standby and base G+ even if you didn’t want to jump around a whole lot.

Even though we can afford to spend a lot, we still put quite a bit of thought into how much the convenience is worth in these situations.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Is it just you/someone else or for a family? We have a family of three and it’s a real tough sell for us (especially MK) despite being able to afford this. If it was just me and my wife we might be more likely - but still probably not.

The actual cost breakdown is horrendous per ride as you would get quite a few of them naturally via standby and base G+ even if you didn’t want to jump around a whole lot.

Even though we can afford to spend a lot, we still put quite a bit of thought into how much the convenience is worth in these situations.

Family of 4 for us.

 

[Drdcm]

Family of 4 for us.

We value convenience very differently lol. That’s ok though

 

[JD80]

There is a 17 year period at WDW, between the end of the ride ticket system to the start of the FP system, where the parks were not what they are like now in that regard. Everyone waited in the same lines, everyone waited the same amount of time to ride. It was equal opportunity, regardless of your income or expendable income-if you can afford the park admission, that's all that mattered. The basic park experience of access to attractions was the same for everyone. And, like I already said, even after the introduction of FPs, which were always offered at no extra cost, it was still basically equal opportunity for guests to be able to get them.

There is always an economic advantage if you're willing to pay for it.

• Going on a longer vacation
• Going to the parks multiple days
• Going to WDW more often
• Staying closer to the parks
• Staying on property w/ Disney Transportation
• Early Morning Entry (or other variations)
• If you stayed Club level you could buy more FPs.

etc. etc. etc.

 

[JD80]

You have a distorted view of capitalism. Capitalism also breeds philanthropists who benefit society

lol

 

[Ayla]

I am also in the target demo, and will use it if it sticks around long enough. Not having to rope drop to get on a top tier ride, not waking up at the crack of dawn to make LL res, not waiting in long lines, not walking back and forth all over the park..., it is worth it for my piece of mind.

My peace of mind is knowing I didn't contribute to a company's blatant greed. Different strokes.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The Disney adults; working adults with no kids, and lets not forget the YouTubers who can WRITE IT OFF, this is perfect for.

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

Is it just you/someone else or for a family? We have a family of three and it’s a real tough sell for us (especially MK) despite being able to afford this. If it was just me and my wife we might be more likely - but still probably not.

The actual cost breakdown is horrendous per ride as you would get quite a few of them naturally via standby and base G+ even if you didn’t want to jump around a whole lot.

Even though we can afford to spend a lot, we still put quite a bit of thought into how much the convenience is worth in these situations.

I’m with you. The cost per ride math is atrocious IMO. It’s not affordability for us its value. I already teeter on the side of LLMP/SP not being worth the spend because of the way we like to tour, and the way we are not once in a lifetime kind of guests. They lose me when I start calculating if it’s really worth it for my family of 4 to spend $X on saving 20 minute here, 40 minutes there, and if we really care that much to do something more than once a trip.

MK has the highest base price, but I actually think AK and Epcot may be worse for value. AK is very easy to do by either just buying LLSP at FoP or buying that and LLMP for almost $100 less per person. Epcot with TT down has maybe 4 attractions that actually require some effort to ride, coming in at $40+ per useful LL when you break down the $169 base price.

You really need to despise a schedule or any sort of touring plan, but not enough to have already been hiring VIP tour guides, to find value in this.

 

[Jrb1979]

The Disney adults; working adults with no kids, and lets not forget the YouTubers who can WRITE IT OFF, this is perfect for.

I'm not a Disney adult, I have 2 kids and not a YouTuber and this exactly what we as a family want. When we go on vacation, we hate planning out our days. With this we don't have to plan our days around when we booked attractions.

 

[JD80]

I'm not a Disney adult, I have 2 kids and not a YouTuber and this exactly what we as a family want. When we go on vacation, we hate planning out our days. With this we don't have to plan our days around when we booked attractions.

You're posting on this message board, you're a Disney adult.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Family of 4 for us.

It does depend on how much disposable income folks have and THIS is MADE to dispose of income for sure!

We have stayed at Universal deluxe resorts and got the express pass for free it was fabulous! I know we paid more for the room being a deluxe room, but if felt better since express pass was "free"

We are not yet willing to pay for a Disney deluxe resort AND pay for this also.

 

[KrzyKtty]

My peace of mind is knowing I didn't contribute to a company's blatant greed. Different strokes.

My point is you can't spend $ at any corporation without contributing to their greed lol.