Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[AshaNeOmah]

WDW would much rather have more guests staying fewer days each than fewer guests staying more days each.

Two families staying for 4 nights each buy more total merch and F&B than a single family staying for 8 nights.

I completely agree with this sentiment, but ticket costs after Day 5 or 6 would beg to differ. It really doesn't make sense.

 

[aliceismad]

Capacity is only valuable if it's actually used.

By that reasoning, should they replace things like COP?

They can push people toward it all they want, but there are plenty of us who just aren't interested in certain attractions, regardless of wait time.

 

[el_super]

Hmmmm convincing people to ride something not just more but at specific times by charging more? Sure.

The Genie feature I am referring to in that post is free.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I completely agree with this sentiment, but ticket costs after Day 5 or 6 would beg to differ. It really doesn't make sense.

The ticket prices still have some residual Eisner philosophy in them…which was about length of stay

but what they changed a number of years ago is they whack you the first four…then drop off.

fits this argument…doesn’t it?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

By that reasoning, should they replace things like COP?

They can push people toward it all they want, but there are plenty of us who just aren't interested in certain attractions, regardless of wait time.

Because everything they have was paid for years ago 20 times over?

and they can’t build anything new for under a billion?

 

[AshaNeOmah]

Okay, explain this to me. (If my analogy is not apt, please replace with one that is).

In a room, we have four bowls of food and ten people. The ten people attempt to eat out of the bowls but are continually jockeying for position. If we bring in a fifth bowl, everyone will have an easier time eating.

NOW, I know what you're going to say, one of the bowls has better and more food in it. It has shrimp, steak, crab cakes, etc. People will want to eat out of that bowl the most. But this seems contradictory to your idea that bringing a fifth bowl into the room will increase the amount of people trying to eat out of the bowls. If this fifth bowl is popular enough to entice MORE people to go, then why are they still crowding around the Shrimp/Steak/Crab bowl, wouldn't those people already have been in the room?

(What a convoluted metaphor!)

I'm not the OP, but I've always thought this: No one is going to WDW without going to MK. Adding a 5th gate might help crowds in the 'other three' parks, but everyone who comes to the resort is going to spend at least one day in MK. That's more people per year in the Magic Kingdom.

You could add two more parks, but MK is just going to get busier and busier as you add more people each day to the resort.

 

[Joeamc]

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Or rope dropping them, which is an option everywhere except Rise and, initially, Rat.

i think it’s possible that all of the new headliner rides (tron, guardians) will be boarding groups or paid option, with no option to wait in line.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I'm not the OP, but I've always thought this: No one is going to WDW without going to MK. Adding a 5th gate might help crowds in the 'other three' parks, but everyone who comes to the resort is going to spend at least one day in MK. That's more people per year in the Magic Kingdom.

You could add two more parks, but MK is just going to get busier and busier as you add more people each day to the resort.

This is why they need to build out MK more. And also add more things that don't require a butt in a seat.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

The really important question that I have is......Will the Genie+ package be included in the next annual price increase? Or are they gonna give us a little time before we get to $17.50?

 

[SirLink]

Almost anything that has to do with reservations (rides, food, etc...) will likely be available under regular Genie (no plus). It's possible you'll still be able to do some reservations in MDE.

Think of Genie as a "wizard" or AI that helps you manage all your park plans and reservations. It's an overlay to MDE without taking it over.

A good reference point for Genie is MS Office Clippy

 

[el_super]

By that reasoning, should they replace things like COP?

Probably. The calculations on that get really complicated. It might be only pulling 40% of it's capacity, but it's still padding RPC numbers. Closing it outright might put additional strain on other attractions before a replacement opens. And there are various levels of fixes that could be implemented right: refurbishment, refresh, retheme or replacement. Part of the math on that is trying to determine if people WANT a slow sit-down experience versus a high-speed thrill ride. They could spend a small fortune trying to re-use the carousel theater only to find out that people still want a coaster instead.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

My

i think it’s possible that all of the new headliner rides (tron, guardians) will be boarding groups or paid option, with no option to wait in line.

They’ve pretty much said that…which means the next two will be also.

I saw tons of Disability access for two days…now rope dropping is the cure”

listen, people: you are Going to PAY!!!

get used to it…accept it.

 

[GimpYancIent]

The Genie feature I am referring to in that post is free.

Genie = Not free. There will be no additional charge there after for some features.

 

[AshaNeOmah]

It's definitely an issue for me.

They just opened Rise of the Resistance, the type of new attraction that people book vacations for. It's, by all accounts, hard to get on. Especially at WDW where four parks and a reservation system means one might get one chance during a trip to maybe get on it.

Assuming capacity allows, it should be guaranteed once for anyone booking a multi-day stay of 4 days or more.

The new systems means one can buy their way onto it, which can be reassuring but simultaneously infuriating.

I've been saying this since Fall 2019. A four day resort stay should buy the guest one ride on RotR.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

A good reference point for Genie is MS Office Clippy

That $&!@$ing thing we all trained ourselves to ignore??

 

[DCLcruiser]

Genie = Not free. There will be no additional charge there after for some features.

Genie is free.

Genie+ is $15
IAS is $xx

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I've been saying this since Fall 2019. A four day resort stay should buy the guest one ride on RotR.

Oh no, dear…nothing is “included” in what you pay except for that one thing…they aren’t into “bundles” anymore

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Genie is free.

Genie+ is $15
IAS is $xx

Genie is mde…it’s nothing to get excited about

 

[aliceismad]

A good reference point for Genie is MS Office Clippy

Dear Guest, you said you'd like to ride Splash Mountain and Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. We've automatically added a visit to the country bears, three gift shops, and a bathroom between your rides. Look at how efficient your day will be.

 

[NoOtherOptions]

Genie = Not free. There will be no additional charge there after for some features.

Genie is free. Genie+ is not free. Genie is the app, Genie+ is the ticket add on.