Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[KingdomofDreams]

IMO they have the perfect solution at DLP. Premier Access Ultimate in conjunction with Premier Access One. Ultimate being the ideal, but for those who can't afford it or choose not to spend the extra cash, Access One provides a good alternative.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

IMO they have the perfect solution at DLP. Premier Access Ultimate in conjunction with Premier Access One. Ultimate being the ideal, but for those who can't afford it or choose not to spend the extra cash, Access One provides a good alternative.

The attendance at wdw is probably - my guess - too high mathematically to go full on high prices and divide into such classes. There could be more people buying than they can sell…and there would be hell to pay

 

[Chi84]

Exactly…as does expectation and grievance level.

I’m not saying the genie is great by any means…but it’s usable. The day off

It’s garbage. See guest satisfaction surveys.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s garbage. See guest satisfaction surveys.

Have you tried it?

 

[Chi84]

Have you tried it?

Twice.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Twice.

And how did you mess it up?

It’s paid…that sucks and will forever. But Bob the savior didn’t build enough…almost the opposite.

So 3 lazy fast passes on the computer months in advance - with tiers - while ticket prices rose 100% over its lifetime was such a great system, huh?

 

[Jenny72]

I assume that people pushing for a Universal-type pass are the ones who are imagining that they will buy it. I guess if I knew I could get on rides all day while other people waited, I might argue for it, too. But Disney has to think about (or at least should think about) not only the blessed few who get the Express pass, but also the hordes of unwashed masses who spend big bucks to make a family trip to Disney as their rite of passage. Not only do they wait on 90-minute lines, but they watch other people stream by while they wait. This does not make for a great once-in-a-lifetime experience. Not because they're spoiled, but because that experience is objectively lousy.

Is this the right direction for a company that has tried to endear itself to every middle-class household as a must-do for children at least once? I'd argue no, but then I wouldn't have made a lot of the choices they have, so who knows what direction they will take.

 

[KingdomofDreams]

The attendance at wdw is probably - my guess - too high mathematically to go full on high prices and divide into such classes. There could be more people buying than they can sell…and there would be hell to pay

I always see the same refrain... that won't work at WDW. Never mind it works at parks all over the world. No way for WDW. I totally disagree. If sales vs.capacity is limited appropriately, it would work. Of course, not everyone could have access. No priority access plan can include everyone. Both plans would potentially reach the point of being sold out depending on crowd levels, but that's just the nature of the beast. Anyway, just my own opinion of course. Disney gonna do what Disney gonna do. I just don't understand why they are intent on making it so complicated.

 

[mikejs78]

Never mind it works at parks all over the world.

Very few parks have the attendance of WDW parks.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

It was actually, although we always were able to get additional FP+ if we wanted them.

I've posted several times on various threads about the issues we had. But honestly, my experience wouldn't matter because some people have spent years working themselves into such a lather over FP+ that they would prefer a system designed by the devil himself (and I'm not sure this one wasn't) no matter how much they had to pay for it.

In any event, the current iteration isn't working and will apparently be replaced soon, so no use in stressing over it.

I keep hearing over and over by you and some others about Disney is looking to change G+. Could someone direct me to a article that says this? Has Disney said it or is it from Disney fan sites? I know guest satisfaction isn’t good with the system, i had my vote counted with it in my survey, but cant find anywhere, from Disney that they are looking into it. Thanks.

 

[Jrb1979]

I keep hearing over and over by you and some others about Disney is looking to change G+. Could someone direct me to a article that says this? Has Disney said it or is it from Disney fan sites? I know guest satisfaction isn’t good with the system, i had my vote counted with it in my survey, but cant find anywhere, from Disney that they are looking into it. Thanks.

Disney hasn't said anything but insiders in here have said changes are coming. With them stopping advanced sales and refunding anyone who purchased it after January 1st hints at changes.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Disney hasn't said anything but insiders in here have said changes are coming. With them stopping advanced sales and refunding anyone who purchased it after January 1st hints at changes.

Ill believe it when i see it. Not saying they aren’t working on changes but i can name dozens of things that have got bad guest satisfaction ratings over the last 20 years that have never changed. I hope the “ insiders” are correct on this one. Thanks.

 

[Jrb1979]

Ill believe it when i see it. Not saying they aren’t working on changes but i can name dozens of things that have got bad guest satisfaction ratings over the last 20 years that have never changed. I hope the “ insiders” are correct on this one. Thanks.

They could easily fix it already by limiting availability.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

They could easily fix it already by limiting availability.

Yes. Wont happen though.. money.
They could fix the overcrowding at the halloween and Christmas parties also by limiting availability.. again, wont happen.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I always see the same refrain... that won't work at WDW. Never mind it works at parks all over the world. No way for WDW. I totally disagree. If sales vs.capacity is limited appropriately, it would work. Of course, not everyone could have access. No priority access plan can include everyone. Both plans would potentially reach the point of being sold out depending on crowd levels, but that's just the nature of the beast. Anyway, just my own opinion of course. Disney gonna do what Disney gonna do. I just don't understand why they are intent on making it so complicated.

You always see it…and it annoys you.

Do you understand the attendance, demographics, capacity issues wdw has?

…cause I’ve dabbled in them. When it was “easier” to handle

 

[Chi84]

They could easily fix it already by limiting availability.

The problem I see with this is that they have to find a price point at which people will voluntarily elect not to buy. If they deny passes to people who consider the price reasonable and are willing to buy them there will be widespread dissatisfaction - maybe even greater than what exists now.

 

[Jrb1979]

You always see it…and it annoys you.

Do you understand the attendance, demographics, capacity issues wdw has?

…cause I’ve dabbled in them. When it was “easier” to handle

I understand all of that and I still think an Express Pass system would work. I will say it and it will annoy and upset some but waiting in lines is part of going to a theme park.

The problem I see with this is that they have to find a price point at which people will voluntarily elect not to buy. If they deny passes to people who consider the price reasonable and are willing to buy them there will be widespread dissatisfaction - maybe even greater than what exists now.

They have to do both then. Obviously $15 isn't enough of a deterrent. It should be more like $50 a person.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

Very few parks have the attendance of WDW parks.

Haha it’s not really even close either

 

[Chi84]

They have to do both then. Obviously $15 isn't enough of a deterrent. It should be more like $50 a person.

My guess is that’s what they’re trying to figure out now.

And they need to do something about this convoluted park reservation/2 pm hopper situation. It’s creating a great deal of inflexibility and confusion, which was what Genie+ was supposed to avoid.

I’ve been visiting for almost 40 years and this is the first time Disney has come up with a system so complicated and annoying that people are begging to go back to standing in long lines. And that will never happen now that a paid system is in place.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The problem I see with this is that they have to find a price point at which people will voluntarily elect not to buy. If they deny passes to people who consider the price reasonable and are willing to buy them there will be widespread dissatisfaction - maybe even greater than what exists now.

That is the problem…cause the wdw clientele is the least likely to reject an upcharge and the most likely to complain about it.

This isn’t LA or Paris