Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

Purduevian

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You can’t just look at Genie+ capacity because reservation and virtual queue systems require additional capacity outside of the system.
Sorry can you please explain what you mean by this? There are no VQs in MK or DL right now (EPCOT has guardians?) Also both coasts have a reservation system.

Even if capacity is different in both parks... why does that mean preventing people from booking their first G+ until they get into the park works for DLR but not WDW?
 

drizgirl

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Sorry can you please explain what you mean by this? There are no VQs in MK or DL right now (EPCOT has guardians?) Also both coasts have a reservation system.

Even if capacity is different in both parks... why does that mean preventing people from booking their first G+ until they get into the park works for DLR but not WDW?
All other things being equal, systems like G+will function better in a park with more overall attraction capacity, even if it isn’t part of the G+ system, since the non G+ capacity will lower demand on the G+ System.
 

Purduevian

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All other things being equal, systems like G+will function better in a park with more overall attraction capacity, even if it isn’t part of the G+ system, since the non G+ capacity will lower demand on the G+ System.
Yeah I guess I can see that. I'll go back to my original question though. Why does that mean preventing people from booking their first G+ until they get into the park works for DLR but not WDW?

It would prevent the mad dash at 7am and at least let times flow a little more naturally once park gates open.
 

Disney Glimpses

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Nah, it won't be the crazy mad dash of 20,000 people right at 7am. This will make it so 5-10 minutes won't make hours of differences in return times.
No what I mean is if you let people only make reservations after scanning, all day long people would be on their phone immediately after scanning, walking slowly and aimlessly clogging up the entrances.
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I would say this is like comparing Gala to golden Golden Delicious. They are literally the 2 most similar things in the entire USA and possibly the world. This would also stop the 7am crunch.

Also I had a wonderful time using G+ on my WDW and DLR visits this year. I preferred FP+, but G+ was like 90% as good for me.
The 2 coasts and the way people visit them are vastly different. Come on. You have to admit that… & God bless. Guess you are on of the lucky ones. Again i dont know how Genie can ever compare to FP+ when i literally never had an issue booking ANY rides i wanted and all before say noonish. With Genie that is literally impossible. As i said. I go back in 7 weeks. For round 2. We shall see what happens but again. The days of riding 7DMT than heading over to Splash and BTM are longggg gone in a row with no waits. Not to mention being able to grab other attractions worthy ones after using my 3rd within a decent return time again is long gone. & i also noticed wait times were longer which made DAS that much more less valuable.
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I'm saying they are both awful. IMO it's time they followed Universal's model and dump all reservations and use the Express pass model. Just have restaurants be booked ahead of time.
And then you alienate how many people from using this system bc it would be extremely high priced and extremely limited to be effective. So i guess so much for listening to customers complaining that they feel like they are being either priced out or put in some class system. Not staying deluxe which basically took away a lousy 4 hours over a weeks time which if you have little ones didnt effect you at all. Kinda ticked people off. Imagine going Uni’s way after a “free” system.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
And then you alienate how many people from using this system bc it would be extremely high priced and extremely limited to be effective. So i guess so much for listening to customers complaining that they feel like they are being either priced out or put in some class system. Not staying deluxe which basically took away a lousy 4 hours over a weeks time which if you have little ones didnt effect you at all. Kinda ticked people off. Imagine going Uni’s way after a “free” system.
As you said some one loses no matter what system they use. At least with Universal's system it doesn't affect standby as much as Disney's system
 

drizgirl

Well-Known Member
Yeah I guess I can see that. I'll go back to my original question though. Why does that mean preventing people from booking their first G+ until they get into the park works for DLR but not WDW?

It would prevent the mad dash at 7am and at least let times flow a little more naturally once park gates open.
I agree. That would be a big improvement.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
No but sometimes you have Express Pass lines approaching 40 minutes...
You sometimes have that with Genie+ as well. No system is perfect. The reason I love Universal's system is the simplicity of it. Personally it's my family's biggest gripe with Disney. A theme park vacation shouldn't require this much work to enjoy. We can deal with reservations for dinner as most places you vacation it's needed. As far as the parks themselves there is no reason it's need to be this complex to visit.

To add to that, the quote @disneyglimpses posted yesterday on why they do all these things blows my mind and shows how out to lunch they are in regards to park operations.

Their view of a perfect world is the same number of people at the parks all day every day with the same ratio of vacationers to locals. This is their attempt to achieve that.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
I'm saying they are both awful. IMO it's time they followed Universal's model and dump all reservations and use the Express pass model. Just have restaurants be booked ahead of time.
Expensive passes would also help get rid of those undesirable large families clogging up the WDW resorts with their 10 or 14-day stays.
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
Why not? If people are enjoying them, they should be updated and enjoyed for decades to come. Look at all the classics at Disneyland that people still love!

That’s what I say about Star Wars land, and New Fantasylans as well. :(

I agree that Galaxy's Edge and New Fantasyland should have been better, but they look like masterpieces in planning compared to Toy Story Land. Both of the former have far more to do than the latter.
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
As you said some one loses no matter what system they use. At least with Universal's system it doesn't affect standby as much as Disney's system
How can you say that?!? Lines are going nowhere anytime soon. There simply isnt enough capacity & hours along w the downtime daily for these rides its gonna be hell. I actually hope they do this to finally put to rest that FP/Genie ruined the parks and created these wait times when you still have 60-90-120 minutes lines on rides etc.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
How can you say that?!? Lines are going nowhere anytime soon. There simply isnt enough capacity & hours along w the downtime daily for these rides its gonna be hell. I actually hope they do this to finally put to rest that FP/Genie ruined the parks and created these wait times when you still have 60-90-120 minutes lines on rides etc.
You’re demonstrating right here how these systems have allowed Disney to get away with less and less capacity.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Thats your opinion & i have mine where Fp+ was an amazing product that worked great for resort guests & if you really took a little effort worked amazing for those willing.
Except the data didn’t support that…which is why it’s gone.
I agree. The current system of park reservations/Genie+/ILLs/limited park hopping that replaced it is inflexible garbage. And we get to pay for it or stand in ridiculously long lines all day.
See above
 

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