And to follow up…how many people became “3 and out”??
Which version of fastpass caused that?
You have your thoughts i have mine. All o cansay is that FP worked like a charm and allowed me basically to never have to go standby with any real line. I know im not alone in that experience as well. So we can go back & forth but one thing i know is Genie is awful & by far awful. Probably had one of my worst trips in 20 years in November & Genie was definitely the major part of it when it came to rides and availability etc.
The idea of framing it as expecting sympathy and such seems like the wrong framing to me - again, if I and others wanted McDonalds to serve salads and they cut out nuggets to do that, I wouldn’t say “Hey, you consumers of nuggets were the winners in an arbitrary system that favored you. Don’t expect sympathy when that arbitrary system shifts!” I guess I take it as a given that this is how a consumer driven market works. Companies can’t give infinite options and the options they do offer are shaped by demand.
We’re “edge cases,” so we don’t count
Except maybe to Disney - we’ll have to wait and see. Maybe they’ll decide that all standby is the morally superior system.
It’s still a matter of perception. Ever just miss a show at the Enchanted Tiki Room or Country Bear Jamboree? That 20 minutes can be excruciating because you’re just sitting there. Set expectations and keep people engaged and even those longer waits can become more tolerable. Part of the problem with focusing so much capacity on reservations is that the physical queue space needed for Stand-By is actually reduced so it not only increases the actual time waiting but also the perception of waiting because you slowly pulse through a small space. Keep people moving through a variety of engaging spaces and there will be less awareness of a long wait.
Your McDonalds example doesn’t work because no one has paid to enter McDonalds. If everyone paid a hundred bucks to enter a McDonalds buffet and then an arbitrary group of those guests were forced to wait until all the desirable food had been consumed before serving themselves, your analogy might work.
I meant compared to the ghost town of 2020. (I didn't want to suggest that my stand-by-only experience was during that very slow period.)
Again, I meant they were "back" compared to 2020. I went the same week in 2021 and 2022, and, you are right. This year was indeed distinctly busier.
Casper answered this already, but I have to add my two cents. When you say something like this, you either are deliberately misrepresenting others simply for the fun of arguing or are misunderstanding them completely. I hope it is the latter.
These things are so true. I'd go so far as to say a 40-min line that moves is preferable to a 20-min one with mostly standing. That ratio may be a little off, but it's close.
But in the end you’re slowly moving in an hour-long line when you could have been doing something else. If the people who loved FP+ need to face the reality that it’s not coming back, then the people who favor all standby need to face the reality that Disney is not going to adopt that system either. As far as I know, all major theme parks have some sort of line skip system, so that ship has already sailed.
I, for one, am under no illusion that all-standby will happen ever again.
The ability to do something else is a function of capacity. To work others are not doing something else or they just can’t be allowed into the park. Pushing too many people onto the system just pushes the waiting to those other things as happened at Volcano Bay.
That’s all great, but people don’t want to stand in long lines at WDW when there are so many other things to do. Either Disney figures out how to make that work or it’s going to lose a lot of people. Maybe they don’t care, but there must be some reason they’re making changes to Genie+ instead of simply abandoning it.
Standy isnt happening because it generates zero extra revenue lolWe’re “edge cases,” so we don’t count
So you rather wait twice as long bc the line “moves” thats just downright nuts & im not looking for an argument with that statement.
Exactly. Why would anyone willingly choose to spend thousands & thousands of dollars to stand in hour long lines if this was the only option. People myself included are still buying Genie knowing how bad it is just hoping to get a decent amount if rides
I agree hence why i said most park hours. Rope dropping is nothing new. Hitting up rides last 30-40 minutes is nothing newbut as you point out the longerhours 100% helped. Before i had my daughter and would be in parks a longggg time ago. You were able to walk on most of the non top tier attractions or have like 15-20 min waits for most of the big ones as the parks were a ghost town at times.
I am willing to admit I'm probably nuts.
I think we all agree there. Capacity is everything. It's probably the number one problem in the parks. (Except, that is, for the overall dumbing down, the artistic and aesthetic decline, oh and screenz.)
I have acknowledged (in this thread) that FP, while not ideal and not my preference, was perhaps the favorite for most guests.
G+ sucks. Even Disney agrees.
I knew that ratio might trigger some, LOL. Seriously, though, is absolute wait time the only measure of a park experience? Is "wait" so inherently bad that less of it is always better? Isn't it conceivable that time could be a tradeoff for comfort? What if you could be guaranteed a 10-minute wait for any attraction but you had to be locked in a coffin upside down for the duration of your wait. Would you do it?
