Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

dmw

dmw

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There have been multiple comments/suggestions about how to get to the parks early for rope drop, or getting up early to get an ILL or G+ selection... None of those appeal to me. I was somewhat OK with an early day once before the trip, to set up FP+.

I just got back from a trip to Dollywood and I must say, it was really nice to not have to plan out the day in advance, and not having to get up early. Park open was 10am, we caught the hotel shuttle at 9:15, and were inside the park by 9:45. As we wandered the park we would stop to see a show, get on a ride, shop as we went along. If the ride was one of the headliner coasters I would use the timesaver (free for resort guests) to skip the line. On one of our days we had just finished lunch and I wanted to get a quick ride on Lightning Rod (awesome coaster!) which was just across from where we had eaten. I was the only one who wanted to ride so I used my timesaver to skip the line, enjoyed the ride and met up with my party exploring another attraction just a few minutes (literally) later. No way I could do that at WDW.

Don't get me wrong... I love WDW. But, the experience we had at Dollywood using the Timesaver was so much better than G+, FP+ or ILL. I'm almost dreading our next trip to WDW to try to figure out what system is in place and what I need to do to have the best experience possible.
 
dmw

dmw

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mmascari said:
The assumption here is that if less of them were sold, it wouldn't be a shambles. That charging that much would reduce the number sold by reducing demand at that price point.

Again, the assumption is that G+ fails because there's to many of them sold and that it would work fine if there were just less of them every day. If they're not going to restrict the number sold directly, meaning it's still never sold out just like today, then the price needs to increase until it's high enough to naturally reduce demand.

Even $70 may not be enough.

You probably wouldn't resent paying it, since the price likely needs to be high enough that you wouldn't pay it. Then you can resent not getting it at all instead. :cry:
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The price has to be high(er) AND there has to be a limit to the number sold for it to work better than it is today. But I still would not like this system compared to a true skip the line pass, or a buy as you go dynamic-priced ILL for the major attractions (also with limits).
 
mikejs78

mikejs78

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mmascari said:
The assumption here is that if less of them were sold, it wouldn't be a shambles. That charging that much would reduce the number sold by reducing demand at that price point.

Again, the assumption is that G+ fails because there's to many of them sold and that it would work fine if there were just less of them every day. If they're not going to restrict the number sold directly, meaning it's still never sold out just like today, then the price needs to increase until it's high enough to naturally reduce demand.

Even $70 may not be enough.

You probably wouldn't resent paying it, since the price likely needs to be high enough that you wouldn't pay it. Then you can resent not getting it at all instead. :cry:
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There are more issues than just the demand. The system itself is poorly laid out for a WDW vacation.
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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crazy4disney said:
but then you still have long lines for majority of the people there now for every ride if you price people out.... have we not realized there is NOT enough ride/attraction capacity at these parks to meet demand? FP+ unless im mistaken was not a hated part of a Disney vacation by the majority of visitors. Do you truly believe eliminating most people from using a skip the line system will make the lines dramatically better?
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We all know there isn't enough ride/attraction capacity. We also that isn't changing any time soon. There is no possible way to make it work for everyone. IMO the people most upset with Genie+ are those that purchase it and get limited rides/attractions. I see no issue with making it better for those that pay for it.

You're right it doesn't make the wait time better for those in Standby. The only way to everyone happy would be to get rid of the skip the line system all together.
mikejs78 said:
There are more issues than just the demand. The system itself is poorly laid out for a WDW vacation.
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Not being allowed to pick your return is probably another one. My thought is they did that in hopes they could control the crowds better. I'm wondering if they didn't plan on people trying to refresh as much as they do.
 
UNCgolf

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disneyglimpses said:
Wasn’t the parking decision less of a money maker and more of a car volume reducer? I could be wrong on that.
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That was the supposed reason, but I don't think it made much sense -- at least not across the board. The last two times I stayed at Port Orleans the parking lot at my building was mostly empty, and when driving to DAK for breakfast, there were tons of empty spaces there as well.
 
Ayla

Ayla

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Thepuma said:
But I do get it...I totally understand that not everyone's idea of a vacation is getting up at 6 in the morning.

I just choose to do it as its the most effective way to make the most of your disney visit...and hell, its so expensive to go to Disney now you feel like you need to do it to justify the cost.

Getting up at 5.30/6 at the time feels tough...but when I'm coming out if AK at 11am having done the whole park, and I look at the current wait time of FOP being 2 or 3 hours...its then that I realise why I do it. I've done the park in 3 hours and some unfortunate people are stuck in 1 queue for those 3 hours.
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Because 5/6am Orlando time is the middle of the afternoon for you.

You forgot to mention that tidbit.
 
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crazy4disney

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Jrb1979 said:
We all know there isn't enough ride/attraction capacity. We also that isn't changing any time soon. There is no possible way to make it work for everyone. IMO the people most upset with Genie+ are those that purchase it and get limited rides/attractions. I see no issue with making it better for those that pay for it.

You're right it doesn't make the wait time better for those in Standby. The only way to everyone happy would be to get rid of the skip the line system all together.

Not being allowed to pick your return is probably another one. My thought is they did that in hopes they could control the crowds better. I'm wondering if they didn't plan on people trying to refresh as much as they do.
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There are multiple things that absolutely irk me about Genie but a few to me that simply are unacceptable and how this made it thru testing and the drawing board is the fact you Cant modify and have to cancel and the fact you think you have 1 time and when you get booked it spits out a totally different time. Im no IT guy but 6 months and still no resolution to this. I truly think a modify may be coming but who knows. That was 1 “trick” i learned when i was there after the 2nd or 3rd day. Instead of booking anything i just left my Genie empty hoping for something to pop up & honestly definitely found some success that way but again. It kept you glued to the phone way longer than FP ever has imo.
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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crazy4disney said:
There are multiple things that absolutely irk me about Genie but a few to me that simply are unacceptable and how this made it thru testing and the drawing board is the fact you Cant modify and have to cancel and the fact you think you have 1 time and when you get booked it spits out a totally different time. Im no IT guy but 6 months and still no resolution to this. I truly think a modify may be coming but who knows. That was 1 “trick” i learned when i was there after the 2nd or 3rd day. Instead of booking anything i just left my Genie empty hoping for something to pop up & honestly definitely found some success that way but again. It kept you glued to the phone way longer than FP ever has imo.
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I will agree with you there with it changing times on you. I don't why they haven't fixed that. That shouldn't be happening.
 
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DCBaker

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While currently still listed in MDE, Disney has removed Meet Disney Stars at Red Carpet Dreams in DHS from the Genie+ line up on the Walt Disney World website.

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Thepuma

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Ayla said:
Do I really have to explain why someone from the UK thinks that getting up at 5am EST is no big deal?
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I'm not questioning that....you said, something to the effect that me being from the UK is the reason why I can get up at 5 or 6am....I simply asked, why does me being from the UK make any difference to me getting up in the morning in Orlando.

I shall wait for the so called 'obvious' answer.

*taps foot in anticipation
 
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natatomic

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Thepuma said:
I'm not questioning that....you said, something to the effect that me being from the UK is the reason why I can get up at 5 or 6am....I simply asked, why does me being from the UK make any difference to me getting up in the morning in Orlando.

I shall wait for the so called 'obvious' answer.

*taps foot in anticipation
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I'm not in this conversation, but I would imagine unless you've been in the states for a good solid week before your Disney trip an acclimated to EST, your body is still probably on your own time zone, which would mean that you would have an easier time waking up at 5 or 6am compared to locals, and especially compared to people who are traveling from states further west, where their bodies might still be thinking it's 2 or 3am.
 
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Thepuma

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natatomic said:
I'm not in this conversation, but I would imagine unless you've been in the states for a good solid week before your Disney trip an acclimated to EST, your body is still probably on your own time zone, which would mean that you would have an easier time waking up at 5 or 6am compared to locals, and especially compared to people who are traveling from states further west, where their bodies might still be thinking it's 2 or 3am.
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Your body adjusts within a day...its 5 hours time difference its hardly a biggie.

We fly in on the first day..get in at 6pm Orlando time which is 11pm so called body clock time and we stay up to midnight....ie 5am I'm this so called body clock time....we go to bed and them the first morning up and at it at 6am....after that we are in Orlando do time with no body clock rubbish of any importance.

If anything it should be harder to get up early as we had a 29 hour day the day before.

Where we are from makes absolutely zero difference to what time we can get up in the morning on holiday.

When you're in the zone on a theme park holiday you're in the zone end of.

Heck, one year we arrived on a Sunday and got up at 4am for Rise as it was Martin Luther King Day lol...That was the days of Boarding groups though which was even more stressful lol
 
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