Muffinpants
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Wonder what Disney will do when ppl start doing charge backs for things being down.
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RSoxNo1
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Personally, I'm sick of the scheduling and for the average guest, the system is complicated enough. Eliminating that choice simplifies what is already a complicated system.
Jeff4272
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Lol. But you are very wrong about one important point. You still can get it for free
Jrb1979
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Standby while free is not FP.
mikejs78
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It makes it much more complicated in my view. If I want a LL later in the day (say, after dinner) I have to keep a close eye to see when a near return time comes up .... Seriously, how would it be complicated to say "what time do you want to ride?"
flynnibus
Premium Member
This is the problem we all have been facing with Disney parks for decades. Paying for a line skip doesn't change that.
flynnibus
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They do offer an alternative up front - what people are harping on is the case where the standard options don't fit for them so they also want a refund option.
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flynnibus
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Maybe they are trying to build a system encourages adhoc - not planned?? It's a good thing.. in a balanced world you make your plans based on the near-term runway ahead of you and you have reasonable availability and options offered.
The whole "I gotta get an advance reservation" thing is an artificial construct forged in past Disney schemes.
flynnibus
Premium Member
You're concern of paying for the full meal and getting something less in delivery is not new this week. It's the woe we've all faced every day at the Disney parks. We pay full price, we expect the full product, and we often get handed a dud. Unless you are getting into the parks for free... paying for line skips doesn't change that concern any.
Jeff4272
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This is how I look at Genie+.
You saved an hour, even 2 in lines. But you woke up 2 hours earlier to book your first ride so net net it was the same. You were on your phone all day. You paid $175 for your family of 5.
what was different than the last time you visited MK? Did you ride different rides? Did you spend less time in the park from start to finish?
no. You woke up earlier Paid more money. Spent the same amount of time in the park.
look at it from Disney’s perspective. They had the same or less amount of guests. Fewer employees because the parks weren’t open as long. More money because those same people just paid more for the exact same experience.
this is a marketing ploy and it is frustrating that people fall for it.
You saved an hour, even 2 in lines. But you woke up 2 hours earlier to book your first ride so net net it was the same. You were on your phone all day. You paid $175 for your family of 5.
what was different than the last time you visited MK? Did you ride different rides? Did you spend less time in the park from start to finish?
no. You woke up earlier Paid more money. Spent the same amount of time in the park.
look at it from Disney’s perspective. They had the same or less amount of guests. Fewer employees because the parks weren’t open as long. More money because those same people just paid more for the exact same experience.
this is a marketing ploy and it is frustrating that people fall for it.
Buried20KLeague
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I’m far more forgiving of a non hopping brer rabbit when I haven’t paid extra to see it faster. I’m not sure why that’s confusing.
I care more this week about not getting my large fry than I did last week. So should thousands of others.
flynnibus
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So each year the prices went up, your expectations went up too?
Buried20KLeague
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hardly. I reached my breaking point years ago after opening my eyes to international Disney resorts and adjusted accordingly.
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BrianLo
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I'm confused, if someone is not planning to be at the park for rope drop, isn't the optimal time to book your first LL by 9am, not right at 7am? There doesn't seem like much advantage to the 7am window other than attempting for a 9am LL.
Which, again, is a little pointless to have as you'd give up on another attraction to rope drop stand-by so you could 'tap in'.
Which, again, is a little pointless to have as you'd give up on another attraction to rope drop stand-by so you could 'tap in'.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Well, when you book (7 vs 9) doesn't really matter. I think the question really is about 'what is the optimal first timeslot to pick' ?
Your countdown timer is going to start at 9am no matter what... but your tap in time could vary based on what you pick. And again, your countdown timer only matters if your second LL is after 11am. So I think the optimizers would try to get a FP close to 9am.. rope drop a standby attraction, tap in to your first LL maybe by 930... then try to get some attractions with less than 2hr waits in, trying to get that stack for a later LL on their 3/4th whatever LL.
BrianLo
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Yes, I more-so meant for those complaining that they don't want to wake up at 7am.
Nothing really is being lost by sleeping in and booking when you want to wake up (if you aren't rope dropping), since it takes a while to mobilize to the parks and rope drop doesn't mean arriving at 9am, it means arriving way before (and waking up at 7am anyways).
This system is actually made quite well for those who want to sleep in, have a lazy breakfast, maybe pool and head to the parks with several already booked in the mid afternoon.
flynnibus
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I'm still holding onto the hope that Disney is going to keep rolling out availability throughout the day to ensure the G+ and ILL products remains an attractive sell 'day of' and to avoid refund requests. If that holds up, the whole 'race to be first' goes away entirely (as well as the need to book as soon as I can!) and I think we get a better overall touring experience too... except for the risk of overselling LL capacity like they did with FP.
People will be upset about the "I was here first and couldn't get a pass" vs the "random availability opening" - but I do think it will drive a more adhoc experience... which will (unfortunately) play right into Disney's hands of promoting the 'value' of G+ since it's basically the sole arbiter and channel to tell you when availability pops up. It's another way to basically make you dependent on G+ and squeezing out 3rd parties.
But I do think the idea/time of everyone has paid for G+ is inevitable.
It's a tricky needle to thread. You can't open too much availability lest the LL lines get too long and the perceived value goes down. They want you to think it was a steal and buy again the next day, and the day after, and the day after...
I'm appalled you have to ask...
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LSLS
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So my take. The idea of money off if the ride is in B mode is stupid. You don't get money back if Space mountain is closed for refurbishment. Has anybody demanded refunds for animal kingdom because the yeti has been down? Cedar point didn't refund my pass this year cause top thrill dragster was down half the season. You paying to go on the ride is no guarantee that every effect is working in perfect order. It never has been, and never has been at any other park.
That said, the idea it is YOUR responsibility to go begging for a gift card when the attraction is down for your set time is also ridiculous. A note should pop up that the ride is down, and that your LL is extended for the rest of the day. If you are unable to use or the ride doesn't reopen, there should be a button that becomes visible for a refund. It goes away the second you scan into the attraction. This is not difficult programming. This is disney simply offering horrible customer service with the hope of making an extra $15. For a multi billion dollar company.
That said, the idea it is YOUR responsibility to go begging for a gift card when the attraction is down for your set time is also ridiculous. A note should pop up that the ride is down, and that your LL is extended for the rest of the day. If you are unable to use or the ride doesn't reopen, there should be a button that becomes visible for a refund. It goes away the second you scan into the attraction. This is not difficult programming. This is disney simply offering horrible customer service with the hope of making an extra $15. For a multi billion dollar company.