Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[Buried20KLeague]

im pleasantly surprised by the list of Genie+ lightning lane rides that dont require extra money. I figured IJ and SM would have the upcharges like RISE, but the only rides in CA that would require an upcharge are RISE, RSR, and WS (Though I bet WS will prob be a regular lightning lane line sooner than later)and hopefully RISE opens its standby line like they did in DHS soon as well

I was at DL/CA thursday and it was packed, super busy but even still the lines were not that bad. We rode RISE and WB using VQ, and the longest line was maybe 40ish minutes for IJ and HM....and a 40 minute wait isnt that bad. but man it was busy, gone are those 20% capacity days, it was nice while it lasted though. Also I rode the Railroad for the first time from Tomorrowland to The Main entrance and saw the Grand Canyon and Dinosaurs shows. Pretty cool stuff!

except for the $15 per person to even play. Lol

don’t require extra money. Ha.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Study Predicts Cost Of Disney Tickets In 10 Years (You Won’t Believe The Prices)

A report reveals the staggering cost of going on a Disney vacation in the future (along with some helpful money-saving tips)

www.forbes.com

 

[J4546]

except for the $15 per person to even play. Lol

don’t require extra money. Ha.

well yeah thats true

 

[LittleBuford]

if you’ve been going to WDW for 20 years, you’re absolutely taking abuse to go now in comparison.

unless you’d like to prove how ticket prices have increased at a similar rate to inflation.

pro tip: don’t try…. It will fail miserably.

I still go (or rather will resume going after things return to normal), and I know for a fact I'm not taking abuse. First, I still enjoy the experience and see tremendous value in it. Second, no-one is forcing me to go; it's entirely my own choice. Third, my most recent trips, taken between 2017 and 2020, were more enjoyable than my earlier visits, which took place between 1991 and 2001, so I know very well how today's WDW compares to that of the past. And fourth and finally, "abuse" is a nonsensical and entirely disproportionate concept to invoke in relation to a voluntary holiday at a theme park.

Disney has no say over what we do. Anyone who still chooses to go (and it is a choice) despite feeling "abused" is behaving masochistically and has only themselves to blame.

 

[Chi84]

it doesn’t. But chart the two. It’s not even CLOSE. By an embarrassing amount.

But value is so subjective. How can anyone tell someone else that they are being abused? I mean it’s fine for someone to decide that for oneself, but to decide value for someone else seems like overreaching.

 

[LittleBuford]

Why would ticket prices have to increase at a rate similar to inflation to still provide good value. The WDW we visited in 1984 was a pale shadow of what exists today. Today there are so many more parks, resorts, entertainment venues, transportation forms, etc. There’s nothing that compares to WDW when it comes to my family’s vacations. I’m paying more, but it’s worth it to me.

You are clearly under Disney's spell (perhaps via the Evil Queen) and mistaking abuse for enjoyment.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

I still go (or rather will resume going after things return to normal), and I know for a fact I'm not taking abuse. First, I still enjoy the experience and see tremendous value in it. Second, no-one is forcing me to go; it's entirely my own choice. Third, my most recent trips, taken between 2017 and 2020, were more enjoyable than my earlier visits, which took place between 1991 and 2001, so I know very well how today's WDW compares to that of the past. And fourth and finally, "abuse" is a nonsensical and entirely disproportionate concept to invoke in relation to a voluntary holiday at a theme park.

Disney has no say over what we do. Anyone who still chooses to go (and it is a choice) despite feeling "abused" is behaving masochistically and has only themselves to blame.

you’re why this will continue.

And I’ve already changed my habits. Long ago.

and to be VERY clear…. I still get my Disney parks fix.

My favorite Disney ride on the planet is Sindbad’s in Tokyo.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

But value is so subjective. How can anyone tell someone else that they are being abused? I mean it’s fine for someone to decide that for oneself, but to decide value for someone else seems like overreaching.

I’m not deciding value for others. Some believe it smart to buy a Lamborghini.

that doesn’t mean common sense shouldn’t play for the vast majority.

 

[LittleBuford]

you’re why this will continue.

I along with millions of others. I'll wear the label of Pixie Duster with pride.

If only there were a fansite devoted to WDW where I could discuss my continued enjoyment of the parks with others who feel similarly. Oh, wait...

 

[Buried20KLeague]

I along with millions of others. I'll wear the label of Pixie Duster with pride.

If only there were a fansite devoted to WDW where I could discuss my continued enjoyment of the parks with others who feel similarly. Oh, wait...

so you’re saying WDW has millions of enablers.

we agree.

good for you?

 

[Buried20KLeague]

I along with millions of others. I'll wear the label of Pixie Duster with pride.

If only there were a fansite devoted to WDW where I could discuss my continued enjoyment of the parks with others who feel similarly. Oh, wait...

how do you feel about the pricing increases vs the cast member pay? Where do you think that difference goes? I’ll give you three guesses.

then you can tell me if you think that’s sustainable.

 

[Chi84]

And I’ve already changed my habits. Long ago.

Well then Disney’s prices should have come down by now. Or maybe the fault for higher prices lies with Disney management and not the individual guests. Absent a well coordinated economic boycott (unlikely), the only thing that will change Disney is the behavior of the free market. When enough people agree with you that Disney lacks the requisite value, they will stop going. Right now, it seems not enough people agree with you.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Well then Disney’s prices should have come down by now. Or maybe the fault for higher prices lies with Disney management and not the individual guests. Absent a well coordinated economic boycott (unlikely), the only thing that will change Disney is the behavior of the free market. When enough people agree with you that Disney lacks the requisite value, they will stop going. Right now, it seems not enough people agree with you.

i’m in the minority. I’m well aware. But it doesn’t hurt to come her and try to show others the light.

visit Tokyo. You’ll NEVER look at Orlando the same again.

And before you say that costs a ton more…. It doesn’t. Not with less effort than it takes to schedule and pay for a WDW trip.

the reality is…. For a vast majority of Disney fans, they believe the swamps are the only place they can go to or afford.

 

[Chi84]

i’m in the minority. I’m well aware. But it doesn’t hurt to come her and try to show others the light.

visit Tokyo. You’ll NEVER look at Orlando the same again.

And before you say that costs a ton more…. It doesn’t. Not with less effort than it takes to schedule and pay for a WDW trip.

It’s absolutely your right to come here, relate your experiences, and try to convince others. But telling other people that they lack common sense, are unwittingly being abused and are the reason Disney is becoming so expensive is not the best way to get your point across. And while I was typing this I see that you have also insulted their intelligence by suggesting they don’t know they can vacation elsewhere.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

It’s absolutely your right to come here, relate your experiences, and try to convince others. But telling other people that they lack common sense, are unwittingly being abused and are the reason Disney is becoming so expensive is not the best way to get your point across. And while I was typing this I see that you have also insulted their intelligence by suggesting they don’t know they can vacation elsewhere.

do you think international travel with a language barrier is something everyone takes lightly? Are you familiar with the statistics of Americans that travel abroad?

 

[matt9112]

This isn’t far off. Indeed, it’s a modified version of Disneyland’s MaxPass, which people here used to rave about.

One...i never raved about max pass. Two you could do everything in that system for free technically. The maxpass portion was just access to the app. There is no genie i can go use without the app. There is zero free option...except you know the recommendations of where to go and when....because theres no incentive for disney with that either couple that with the IASs to sour the punch even more.

I mean ts legitimately irelevant to me in reality lol im not going back anytime soon. Got my uni APs and i will just hope the march of making disney world a bad value stops someday. Its sad i miss the place but my income level is far below the forum average im sure so i have to spend what i can more wisely.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Why would ticket prices have to increase at a rate similar to inflation to still provide good value. The WDW we visited in 1984 was a pale shadow of what exists today. Today there are so many more parks, resorts, entertainment venues, transportation forms, etc. There’s nothing that compares to WDW when it comes to my family’s vacations. I’m paying more, but it’s worth it to me.

I mean, I have no idea how one can say the parks have increased in value at anything like the rate ticket prices have risen. We’re talking about theme park tickets, so let’s focus there. Magic Kingdom added Splash Mountain in ‘92. That’s significant added value. Other then that, where, specifically, is the added value that justified exponentially increasing ticket prices? Buzz Lightyear instead of If You Had Wings? New Fantasyland instead of 20000 Leagues, Snow White, and Toad? I mean, those seem like very definite lateral moves - certainly not huge pluses.

And as for EPCOT - I would absolutely take the 1984 version over the current mess. No question, not for a second. What is there now is an absolute embarrassment - it’s inexcusable that they charge full price for it.

And those were the parks you could pay for in 1984. As for the newer ones, MGM has gotten better - but it opened as half a park, and most of the massive price increase took place while it stagnated. AK has improved with the addition of Asia and, to a lesser extent, Pandora. But the very fact that those two parks improved reveals part of the problem - they both opened during the period of massive inflation, and unlike their predecessors at opening, neither was a complete park, but they charged full price.

So no, I can’t see how the increasing value offered by the parks has come anywhere close to justifying the price increase.

 

[matt9112]

I think it's time to take a step back and (re)gain a sense of perspective if you really feel "abused" by Disney. When all is said and done, a trip to WDW is a frivolous luxury, not a human right or need.

Could spend all your vacation money bettering human rights? I understand your point but anyone on this forum (more or less) feels WDW is important to them and thier life.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

I mean, I have no idea how one can say the parks have increased in value at anything like the rate ticket prices have risen. We’re talking about theme park tickets, so let’s focus there. Magic Kingdom added Splash Mountain in ‘92. That’s significant added value. Other then that, where, specifically, is the added value that justified exponentially increasing ticket prices? Buzz Lightyear instead of If You Had Wings? New Fantasyland instead of 20000 Leagues, Snow White, and Toad? I mean, those seem like very definite lateral moves - certainly not huge pluses.

And as for EPCOT - I would absolutely take the 1984 version over the current mess. No question, not for a second. What is there now is an absolute embarrassment - it’s inexcusable that they charge full price for it.

And those were the parks you could pay for in 1984. As for the newer ones, MGM has gotten better - but it opened as half a park, and most of the massive price increase took place while it stagnated. AK has improved with the addition of Asia and, to a lesser extent, Pandora. But the very fact that those two parks improved reveals part of the problem - they both opened during the period of massive inflation, and unlike their predecessors at opening, neither was a complete park, but they charged full price.

So no, I can’t see how the increasing value offered by the parks has come anywhere close to justifying the price increase.

you have far more patience and said it far better than I could have.

 

[mikejs78]

Study Predicts Cost Of Disney Tickets In 10 Years (You Won’t Believe The Prices)

A report reveals the staggering cost of going on a Disney vacation in the future (along with some helpful money-saving tips)

www.forbes.com

The problem with that article is it bases it's math on the 1971 ticket price of $3.50. The thing is, that was just to get into the park. Then you needed tickets. A better comparison would be to start when the all inclusive passes started coming into effect.

You're right that Disney prices don't track inflation. But what they do track a lot closer to is the general cost of entertainment, such as Broadway shows, sporting events, etc. It all depends on where you want to spend your money.