Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[Splash4eva]

If I recall, the tap point color for a DAS selection is different than the regular color - and it flashes (3 times I think). If you can get a view of the tap point, you might be able to count DAS users, although you wouldn't necessarily get their family members because those tap the same as G+.

It turns blue then the CM approves it & everyone in your party goes after you and its green. So in theory you only know 1 person who is using DAS then have to i guess pay attention to who os in the party to count. This is also part of the issue right? 1 DAS user on average probably takes up 3-4 spots.

 

[nickys]

Thank you. We actually counted VIP tours and they're a blip. I have a strong suspicion that the other groups you mention are basically rounding errors as well.

Can you identify rider swap riders or were they counted in the non-DAS “pool”?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

So while I’m sure there is abuse, Im guessing that this and the fact that there is a group o people with disabilities knew how to work with just FP+ do play a role.

My Gf has DAS and this describes us, we used to manage just fine with FP, with our 3 FPs we’d only use DAS once or twice a day on average, some days we wouldn’t need it at all, now that FP is a thing of the past we probably use DAS 4 times a day on average.

The end of free FP probably doubled or tripled DAS use from existing users, any new abuse for financial reasons would be in addition to the already increased use by valid users.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Can you identify rider swap riders or were they counted in the non-DAS “pool”?

Haunted Mansion doesn’t have a height requirement. While rider swap riders could theoretically exist, they’re going to be statistically insignificant.

 

[mikejs78]

Haunted Mansion doesn’t have a height requirement. While rider swap riders could theoretically exist, they’re going to be statistically insignificant.

Rider swap also exists for people who may not want to go on the attraction (i.e. find it frightening). That's the case for us - my youngest does not want anything to do with ghosts, so we have rider swapped HM.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Rider swap also exists for people who may not want to go on the attraction (i.e. find it frightening). That's the case for us - my youngest does not want anything to do with ghosts, so we have rider swapped HM.

Yes, it exists, but it’s going to be statistically insignificant on a ride without a height requirement.

 

[Tha Realest]

From the perspective of an educator, we also diagnose disability so much more frequently nowadays. I have classes where 80% or more of the class qualify for accomodations for disabilities. So I think society in general has more disability awareness and maybe the definition of disability has morphed a bit as well to include more attributes under that category. The increase in mental health disorders has also grown tremendously since the pandemic. So while I’m sure there is abuse, Im guessing that this and the fact that there is a group o people with disabilities knew how to work with just FP+ do play a role.

The national average is about 15% of public school students qualify as having some sort of disability. You number seems really unusual

 

[DryerLintFan]

The national average is about 15% of public school students qualify as having some sort of disability. You number seems really unusual

Hey @lentesta is there any way to get an updated number of what percentage of overall guests use DAS or did we only have the old number because of the trial?

 

[Drdcm]

Ok I’m going to get back up on my soapbox as someone who actually diagnoses and recommends disability accommodations for people.

I used to work with kids but now I work with veterans. Disability is about “functional impairment” and impairment in different functional domains. Academics is one domain, social functioning is another. For adults employment is a domain. Just because someone has accommodations in school (quiet testing environment/extra time on exams/allowed to listen to music/has an aid) does not mean that they are impaired outside of this context. There is a major difference between taking a test and standing in a line for space mountain..

Getting a note to prove the disability from a doctor is going to be hard for people. Especially when it’s something as minor and inconsequential as waiting in line for space mountain.

Like I said earlier, kids with autism would be more likely to get the recommendation from me because of the nature of the illness. Waiting in line is not going to help them at all with managing their symptoms. ADHD, anxiety, depression could, but the patient would need to convince me that avoiding lines is better for them in the long run health-wise. Again, by demonstrating impairment and the consequences. In general avoidance just reinforces the symptoms, so they’d have to convince me that avoiding rather than using mindfulness/distraction/coping skills/positive reinforcement/negative reinforcement is the better route To go.

I suppose the doctors notes would work well for the people that really need it. For the people that don’t need it to function, but would like it, it might be harder to get.

The physical disability component is a whole other beast that I won’t touch.

 

[Drdcm]

@seabreezept813 ugh, again I accidentally replied to someone I wasn’t intending to respond to. My post has nothing to do with yours just so you are aware. I was going to say that the goals and perspectives of the people diagnosing is often very different from the perspectives of the people diagnosed if you’d like to know what I was thinking when I was initially going to reply to your post.

 

[Purduevian]

True. And maybe moreso at DHS, which experiences a lot of downtime and has relatively few rides.

I don't know how I'd count that other than asking Guest Relations. Let me run that up the flag pole and see who salutes.

I assume you know which G+ tier each ride is in. If you count earlier in the day and get lucky that no other rides in the same tier or above have experienced downtime that morning. The recovery passes should be pretty minimal for that count. I know you did your original count on HM, but if you know the G+/ILL numbers for JC, Pan, Tron, or 7D, it should really reduce the recovery passes.

I also know that Guest services can give recovery passes for other things than ride breakdowns, but I assume that is rare.

 

[lentesta]

Hey @lentesta is there any way to get an updated number of what percentage of overall guests use DAS or did we only have the old number because of the trial?

I think we only had it because of the trial. But let's see what the Six Flags trial makes public in discovery.

 

[lentesta]

If you count earlier in the day and get lucky that no other rides in the same tier or above have experienced downtime that morning.

Inshallah, yes.

 

[Purduevian]

Inshallah, yes.

I know on your podcast you had the % that ROTR and RNRC were down to start the day. Do you post those numbers anywhere on touring plans?

 

[lentesta]

I know on your podcast you had the % that ROTR and RNRC were down to start the day. Do you post those numbers anywhere on touring plans?

Not in aggregate, no. Let me see what I can do once this project is done.

 

[seabreezept813]

The national average is about 15% of public school students qualify as having some sort of disability. You number seems really unusual

I didn’t say 80% of students have disabilities. I’m saying some classes 80% of the students have accommodations, this is due to tracking. In education, there are also accommodations given to students who don’t meet an exact diagnosis so they create alternate plans that give them accommodations. These would be the ones not managed through the state. The most frequent accommodations seen on these are movement breaks, access to a quiet space. So I know more parents push for that type of allowance. And some of it I’m sure boils down to traditional education doesn’t work for all kids. It has been a conversation at many PD days that the number of students who require additional services and needs has grown much more rapidly than before.

 

[Tha Realest]

I didn’t say 80% of students have disabilities. I’m saying some classes 80% of the students have accommodations, this is due to tracking. In education, there are also accommodations given to students who don’t meet an exact diagnosis so they create alternate plans that give them accommodations. These would be the ones not managed through the state. The most frequent accommodations seen on these are movement breaks, access to a quiet space. So I know more parents push for that type of allowance. And some of it I’m sure boils down to traditional education doesn’t work for all kids. It has been a conversation at many PD days that the number of students who require additional services and needs has grown much more rapidly than before.

80% getting an accommodation seems unreasonable, and suggests there’s no attempt to make a showing justifying these accommodations or deny these requests. I have to seriously question the academic integrity of such an institution.

 

[John park hopper]

Question ---Are there more diagnosed kids (real or otherwise) because schools

Under the Constitution, the state is responsible for public education. Annual funding levels vary dramatically across the country, with an average range from $4,000 to $10,000 for students without disabilities and $10,000 to $20,000 for students with disabilities.

 

[Tha Realest]

Question ---Are there more diagnosed kids (real or otherwise) because schools

Under the Constitution, the state is responsible for public education. Annual funding levels vary dramatically across the country, with an average range from $4,000 to $10,000 for students without disabilities and $10,000 to $20,000 for students with disabilities.

From the friends of ours that have legitimate ADA type needs (Down syndrome, extensive ADHD/Autism spectrum) to be accommodated through an IEP I have never gotten the sense the school “wants” to do this or otherwise is incentivized to service them. To the contrary, it’s often a very combative process. That is different, of course, from a school - maybe, for instance, a private school that lauds its placement at Ivies or the like - to permit extra time to take tests

 

[John park hopper]

From the friends of ours that have legitimate ADA type needs (Down syndrome, extensive ADHD/Autism spectrum) to be accommodated through an IEP I have never gotten the sense the school “wants” to do this or otherwise is incentivized to service them. To the contrary, it’s often a very combative process. That is different, of course, from a school - maybe, for instance, a private school that lauds its placement at Ivies or the like - to permit extra time to take tests

Another question is there an increase in diagnosed (real or otherwise) people gaming the system

Children with qualifying disabilities whose families meet SSI's low income and asset requirements are eligible to receive monthly cash payments intended to help families meet their child's needs. The resources and income of the minor's parents are “deemed” to the child.