News Liberty Square Riverboat closing for long refurb

[Lensman]

I have the solution of how to keep the river, but gain pedestrian and attraction access to that area of the park and beyond:

1. replace the river with a concrete pavement to make it look like it's a river
2. but the paddle boat on wheels so it can still take its tour
3. profit

What about all the people who will be crushed or decapitated by the riverboat of death? Oh the humanity!

 

[drizgirl]

I have the solution of how to keep the river, but gain pedestrian and attraction access to that area of the park and beyond:

1. replace the river with a concrete pavement to make it look like it's a river
2. but the paddle boat on wheels so it can still take its tour
3. profit

Give them time. They're probably working on the specs now.

 

[JoeCamel]

I have the solution of how to keep the river, but gain pedestrian and attraction access to that area of the park and beyond:

1. replace the river with a concrete pavement to make it look like it's a river
2. but the paddle boat on wheels so it can still take its tour
3. profit

But all the profit would be gone when they have to pay a CM to stand there and direct people out of the boat's way ala Space Mountain march of death exit.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Give them time. They're probably working on the specs now.

To bad Pirates isnt closer to SoA. The Bkack Pearl boat ride would be a nice addition

 

[DisAl]

Except for the small problem of underground tunnels in Florida, that would be a good solution. It still has the issue with evac procedures, but a tunnel is the most logical solution if the water problem didn't exist.

Not practical or economical but certainly possible. There are tunnels under rivers all over the country.
Just curious, I wonder what the grade level of the second part of PoTC is after the drop that takes it under the railroad? Most likely it is at the "original" ground level like Small World.

 

[Kamikaze]

Not practical or economical but certainly possible. There are tunnels under rivers all over the country.
Just curious, I wonder what the grade level of the second part of PoTC is after the drop that takes it under the railroad? Most likely it is at the "original" ground level like Small World.

Under a (man made) river isn't an issue. Its the Florida water table thats the issue. Most places in FL don't have basements. Its the reason why MK was built up, and most everything at WDW is above 'real' ground level.

 

[JoeCamel]

Under a (man made) river isn't an issue. Its the Florida water table thats the issue. Most places in FL don't have basements. Its the reason why MK was built up, and most everything at WDW is above 'real' ground level.

That and to put most of the services out of guest view.

 

[DisAl]

Under a (man made) river isn't an issue. Its the Florida water table thats the issue. Most places in FL don't have basements. Its the reason why MK was built up, and most everything at WDW is above 'real' ground level.

I understand the water table and why the MK was built the way it was. However, the I-10 tunnel under the Mobile river (Mobile, Alabama) is certainly below the water table. The Channel Tunnel between England and France is below the water table as are hundreds of others around the world. The real issue is COST, not can't.

 

[Driver]

Under a (man made) river isn't an issue. Its the Florida water table thats the issue. Most places in FL don't have basements. Its the reason why MK was built up, and most everything at WDW is above 'real' ground level.

Yep and it doesn't take much. Even in the Utilidors , the lowest point is near the castle it actually swoops under and then rises back up. And at that point there are sump pumps.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Yep and it doesn't take much. Even in the Utilidors , the lowest point is near the castle it actually swoops under and then rises back up. And at that point there are sump pumps.

That's not water, it's tears of joy.

 

[Kamikaze]

I understand the water table and why the MK was built the way it was. However, the I-10 tunnel under the Mobile river (Mobile, Alabama) is certainly below the water table. The Channel Tunnel between England and France is below the water table as are hundreds of others around the world. The real issue is COST, not can't.

A river and the water table are not the same thing. Do you think digging under a river running down a mountain is under the water table? An underwater tunnel is below the water LEVEL, but it is usually not below the actual water table.

A quick look through the USGS surveys puts Alabama at somewhere around a 60 foot water table for the southern part of the state, and most of Florida is a surficial aquifer - meaning its right up to the surface.

You are correct that with enough money thrown at the problem, it ceases to become one, but the utilidors and the tunnels you've mentioned do have pumps do remove water. And if you ever look at the forever ongoing issues with Boston's big dig, you can see that even billions upon billions thrown at keep water out doesn't always work.

 

[Kamikaze]

That and to put most of the services out of guest view.

Byproduct more than anything. Walt didn't like seeing out of area CMs, but there were other ways to accomplish that without building everything up.

 

[Kman101]

It would be nice if they had taken this opportunity to also enhance the settings around the river loop...they really need some work and additions...make it more like Disneyland's version...and more settings for the train as well.

Yes, please! That would be really nice. It's still a pleasant journey, but it's bare. Same for the train. WDW should have taken what was at Disneyland and gone even further, instead it's been truncated versions ... (of a lot of things)

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Yes, please! That would be really nice. It's still a pleasant journey, but it's bare. Same for the train. WDW should have taken what was at Disneyland and gone even further, instead it's been truncated versions ... (of a lot of things)

DL makes MK look so bad. Pretty much every version of everything is better at DL and DL has more rides.

 

[Kamikaze]

DL makes MK look so bad. Pretty much every version of everything is better at DL and DL has more rides.

The only 'better' version at WDW was ToT, and thats not a fair comparison any longer.

 

[Kman101]

DL makes MK look so bad. Pretty much every version of everything is better at DL and DL has more rides.

There's a lot more charm at Disneyland. I agree a lot of things are better (I desperately need to go back again). I love the Magic Kingdom, but it does pale in many ways. At least Tomorrowland is worse in DL but it's like choosing the least worst version. It's always annoyed me their Fantasyland has so many more dark rides. I think our Splash is better and Big Thunder goes either way for me (the explosion effect makes DL's better I suppose). I like both HM exteriors and the insides aren't all that different. I think it works a little better at DL though (better tied into the area it's in).

I love walking around MK's Rivers of America, but I think every other Frontierland is better. It's just a themed strip mall, really. But it's nice theming, of course. I'd like more of a "land" if you will. But I get it's a parade pathway.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

There's a lot more charm at Disneyland. I agree a lot of things are better (I desperately need to go back again). I love the Magic Kingdom, but it does pale in many ways. At least Tomorrowland is worse in DL but it's like choosing the least worst version. It's always annoyed me their Fantasyland has so many more dark rides. I think our Splash is better and Big Thunder goes either way for me (the explosion effect makes DL's better I suppose). I like both HM exteriors and the insides aren't all that different. I think it works a little better at DL though (better tied into the area it's in).

I love walking around MK's Rivers of America, but I think every other Frontierland is better. It's just a themed strip mall, really. But it's nice theming, of course. I'd like more of a "land" if you will. But I get it's a parade pathway.

Their new RoA is absolutely gorgeous

 

[jt04]

There's a lot more charm at Disneyland. I agree a lot of things are better (I desperately need to go back again). I love the Magic Kingdom, but it does pale in many ways. At least Tomorrowland is worse in DL but it's like choosing the least worst version. It's always annoyed me their Fantasyland has so many more dark rides. I think our Splash is better and Big Thunder goes either way for me (the explosion effect makes DL's better I suppose). I like both HM exteriors and the insides aren't all that different. I think it works a little better at DL though (better tied into the area it's in).

I love walking around MK's Rivers of America, but I think every other Frontierland is better. It's just a themed strip mall, really. But it's nice theming, of course. I'd like more of a "land" if you will. But I get it's a parade pathway.

If teacups went to the UK it would be rather easy to route the parade from behind the circus tents through Fantasyland.

That would give them much more flexibility with the RoA.

 

[MisterPenguin]

DL makes MK look so bad. Pretty much every version of everything is better at DL and DL has more rides.

That equation changes when you buy a hopper for either park.

 

[DisAl]

A river and the water table are not the same thing. Do you think digging under a river running down a mountain is under the water table? An underwater tunnel is below the water LEVEL, but it is usually not below the actual water table.

A quick look through the USGS surveys puts Alabama at somewhere around a 60 foot water table for the southern part of the state, and most of Florida is a surficial aquifer - meaning its right up to the surface.

You are correct that with enough money thrown at the problem, it ceases to become one, but the utilidors and the tunnels you've mentioned do have pumps do remove water. And if you ever look at the forever ongoing issues with Boston's big dig, you can see that even billions upon billions thrown at keep water out doesn't always work.

Valid points but you are comparing a tunnel that is designed to keep out water with a building which has joints that will ultimately leak. All I am saying is that a tunnel designed to be such is impervious to water. The I-10 tunnel in Mobile is a steel tube sunk in the river bed with the bottom of the tunnel being over 200' below the surface of the river. They would however still have to have sump pumps to deal with any rainwater that got in the tunnel entrances as does the I-10 tunnel.