News Liberty Square Riverboat closing for long refurb

Kamikaze

Kamikaze

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DisAl said:
Valid points but you are comparing a tunnel that is designed to keep out water with a building which has joints that will ultimately leak. All I am saying is that a tunnel designed to be such is impervious to water. The I-10 tunnel in Mobile is a steel tube sunk in the river bed with the bottom of the tunnel being over 200' below the surface of the river. They would however still have to have sump pumps to deal with any rainwater that got in the tunnel entrances as does the I-10 tunnel.
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What building?
 
Kamikaze

Kamikaze

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DisAl said:
The utilidors for one. They were built on top of original ground level then covered with dirt to make what is now street level in the Magic Kingdom.
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Okay. But just because something is a tunnel doesn't mean it doesn't leak. Like I said - the 'big dig' in Boston is always leaking and being repaired.

The channel tunnel, despite it being under the channel, is in literally hundreds of feet of solid rock. Theres no water where the tunnel is to leak in. If you look into the construction of your I-10 tunnel, I'm sure its much the same case. They went low enough that the water permutation doesn't happen. Its like building a tunnel through a mountain. Building an underground tunnel in Central/Southern Florida (anywhere south of Jacksonville, to be realistic) would mean that it is basically encased in water at all times. That is an entirely different beast. Its a solvable problem, but it isn't cheap to solve, and also isn't without the risk of leaks at any time.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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Kamikaze said:
What equation? DL Park has more attractions than all of WDW combined.
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EDIT: Boy, am I having trouble with simple arithmetic today. D'oh.

Ignore previous claim that WDW has significantly more rides than Anaheim... they're even.

Just considering "rides", Anaheim has 52 (after losing 5 to Bug's Land and 2 that haven't been resurrected from Pixar Pier re-do yet). Orlando has 52 (after a net gain of 1 from losing Ellen's and gaining SDD and Saucers). So, before Anaheim was slightly ahead in rides, but now, they're even.

And that's just rides. Anaheim has, depending how you count them, 2-4 night shows, Orlando has 6-7. For every theater attraction Anaheim has, Orlando has an equivalent and more. Then there is the incomparable: World Showcase and the live animal attractions of DAK.


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Little Green Men

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MisterPenguin said:
Nope. Hasn't been the case for awhile.

Just considering "rides", Anaheim has 42 (after losing 5 to Bug's Land and 2 that haven't been resurrected from Pixar Pier re-do yet). Orlando has 54 (after a net gain of 1 from losing Ellen's and gaining SDD and Saucers). So, before WDW was slightly ahead, but now, WDW is much ahead. See chart below for ride for ride comparison.

And that's just rides. Anaheim has, depending how you count them, 2-4 night shows, Orlando has 6-7. For every theater attraction Anaheim has, Orlando has an equivalent and more. Then there is the incomparable: World Showcase and the live animal attractions of DAK.


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It looks like DAK was added wrong, I only see 9 rides listed.
 
DisAl

DisAl

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Kamikaze said:
Okay. But just because something is a tunnel doesn't mean it doesn't leak. Like I said - the 'big dig' in Boston is always leaking and being repaired.

The channel tunnel, despite it being under the channel, is in literally hundreds of feet of solid rock. Theres no water where the tunnel is to leak in. If you look into the construction of your I-10 tunnel, I'm sure its much the same case. They went low enough that the water permutation doesn't happen. Its like building a tunnel through a mountain. Building an underground tunnel in Central/Southern Florida (anywhere south of Jacksonville, to be realistic) would mean that it is basically encased in water at all times. That is an entirely different beast. Its a solvable problem, but it isn't cheap to solve, and also isn't without the risk of leaks at any time.
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No, you are completely wrong on the Mobile I-10 tunnel. It is encased in water all the time. They dredged a channel across the riverbed, then sunk the two tunnel "tubes" in sections, joining them together after the sections were sunk in place. They then pumped the water out of the tunnel and built the roadbed through the tunnel. Here is a link to a Wikipedia article about the tunnel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace_Tunnel
And FYI it doesn't leak. I have been in the very bottom of the tunnel underneath the roadbed and it was completely dry.
Your arguments that all tunnels leak and therefore a tunnel could not be built under ROA simply does not hold water. (pun intended;))
 
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MisterPenguin

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Squishy said:
you also forgot to add monorail to Epcot as transportation.
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I didn't want to double dip. :) Personally, I wouldn't count it as a 'ride' even though at one time it was an E-Ticket.

The real issue is: if the monorail counts as "a ride", then will the Skyliner?
 
TP2000

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In a random note, why is that WDW calls it's Liberty Belle Riverboat the Liberty Square Riverboat on the MK guidemap I still have from 2017??? And apparently still on the official website... https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/attractions/magic-kingdom/liberty-square-riverboat/

Disneyland has a riverboat, the Mark Twain, but they don't call it the Frontierland Riverboat, they call it the Mark Twain. https://disneyland.disney.go.com/attractions/disneyland/mark-twain-riverboat/

Tokyo Disneyland also has a riverboat, also called the Mark Twain (and identical to Disneyland's right down to the life preservers), but they don't call it the Westernland Riverboat, they call it the Mark Twain. Disneyland Paris has a riverboat, called the Molly Brown, but they don't call it the Thunder Mesa Riverboat, they call it the Molly Brown.

So what's the deal with WDW's boat? Have they just thrown in the towel on nomenclature? Sure seems like it. :rolleyes:

In other news, I'm so glad my long-time psychotic issues of counting rides in a never ending Anaheim Vs. Orlando tally has spread to other nice folks here. Welcome to my world!

With Toy Story Land adding two new rides to WDW four months ago, and A Bug's Land and it's four rides closing at Disneyland two months ago and now behind Stark Industries construction walls, WDW has pulled even in the ride tally at 52 rides on each coast. Here's where things will go over the next few years with officially announced rides under construction and/or strong rumors backed up by trusted insiders...

2019
Disneyland Resort = 55 Rides (Star Wars Ride #1, Star Wars Ride #2, Inside Out Spinner)
WDW Resort = 55 Rides (Mickey's Runaway Railway, Star Wars Ride #1, Star Wars Ride #2)

2020
Disneyland Resort = 56 Rides (Marvel Land Ride #1)
WDW Resort = 55 Rides

2021
Disneyland Resort = 57 Rides (Marvel Land Ride #2)
WDW Resort = 58 Rides (Guardians, Ratatouille, Tron)

2022
Disneyland Resort = 58 Rides (Mickey's Runaway Railway)
WDW Resort = 59 Rides (Mary Poppins)
 
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TP2000

TP2000

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larryz said:
The name of the boat is Liberty Belle. It docks at Liberty Square. That makes it Liberty Belle, the Liberty Square Riverboat.
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Sure, although a bit contrived. But why not just call the darn boat the Liberty Belle Riverboat? You know, the actual name of the boat?

No other Disney property around the world uses that nomenclature phrasing, naming the boat after the land in which it docks. You could make an argument that Disneyland is a one-off since it actually has two large boats loading/unloading at the same dock; the Mark Twain and the Sailing Ship Columbia, plus the Davy Crockett Explorer Canoes using the same river.

Every 20 minutes, when Disneyland's Mark Twain Riverboat is steaming around the backside of the river, this happens instead...
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But Tokyo and Paris have just one big riverboat, and they don't pretend the boat has no name and instead call it the Westernland Riverboat or Thunder Mesa Riverboat. They call the boat by the name of the boat.

I just have this hunch, and sinking feeling, that some college intern cubicle drone in Celebration, Florida decided the history of the park and the boat had no real meaning and just declared it to be Liberty Square Riverboat., and then they went to Starbucks with their other Celebration cubicle farm workers and called it a day. :rolleyes:
 

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