Latest Parking Rumor: Charging at Disney Springs (Unlikely)

[s8film40]

Disney runs the Reedy Creek Improvement District, so Disney being busy is a meaningless issue. The deals involved are technicalities between Disney and an entity it controls regarding a non-safety related issue. The biggest issue wit's paying is the design of the garages themselves, multiple access points with a single lane of traffic.

By using it to acquire limited issue bonds, which means other agencies in the state could not acquire those bonds. By building a garage for Disney's own use. By trying to prevent access to Bonnet Creek. By being able to build with impunity despite impacts on the surrounding areas. Married to the Mouse is an entire book of such issues.

You know I've worked with people in RCID and worked with people who work for Disney and liaison between them and RCID, I've never gotten the impression that Disney "runs RCID". The book you mentioned like all the other stuff out there tries to wrap all the stories of these two entities up into this mythology and conspiracy and make it seem like it's more than it is. I do hope you can understand that while that's rooted in facts it's purpose is to entertain.

Those are good examples but to me they don't cross the same line as having you government build a tax free garage turning around and buying it from them and then charge the public to park there.

 

[flynnibus]

I'm not saying the garage is a one of a kind, I'm simply saying they spent a lot more money than was needed. My point is simply they have plenty of money they don't need to charge money to keep the thing running. Therefore we can all agree they would need to sell it to Disney to justify a need to charge money. The question that comes up then is why didn't Disney just build it in the first place if they're willing to buy it. There's only one answer to that and that's to avoid paying taxes on it.

I think we both actually agree here. I never said it was impossible, I don't think any of what your suggesting with a certain amount of work and maneuvering couldn't be done. I'm simply using my common sense and I don't think that's going to happen. Disney got there garage built, they're happy end of story.

You didn't say it was impossible - you said they can't . Now you are softening up when facing the realities. And no rcid wouldn't have to sell the garages... And that would be against what Disney would want. One word.... LEASE

 

[PhotoDave219]

An arrangement to lease and take over upkeep of the garages in a way that is fiscally advantageous to rcid is a simple way to not buy the garages and still have a way to collect fees.

Just look in your backyard about how mwata took over the airport toll road to pay for metro silver line - which they "paid for" in exchange for the control of tolls on the road.

Disney has been benefitting from rcid's model for decades. These garages change nothing.

Disney is building a retail, dining and entertainment complex far bigger than their tired theme park guests need. Why on earth would Disney want to start discouraging locals from coming or Orlando tourists?

It would just be shooting themselves in the foot. And to change their mind now, after hundreds of millions have gone into traffic management? Does not compute

I missed MWATA doing that; I was in Orlando when it happened. Dammit.

 

[flynnibus]

I missed MWATA doing that; I was in Orlando when it happened. Dammit.

Even better... The politicians get to claim they got the metro built! (By giving a private company almost carte blanc to charge tolls.... And when people complain they can blame mwata!)

Perfect slime ball move... By the time the mob comes to term with what it means to them... The politicians are long gone. Now you know why tolls went from 50/75 to the few dollars they are now

 

[PhotoDave219]

Even better... The politicians get to claim they got the metro built! (By giving a private company almost carte blanc to charge tolls.... And when people complain they can blame mwata!)

Perfect slime ball move... By the time the mob comes to term with what it means to them... The politicians are long gone. Now you know why tolls went from 50/75 to the few dollars they are now

These are the same chuckleducks that want to screw up I-66 for the next four years and put HOT lanes on them.

 

[s8film40]

You didn't say it was impossible - you said they can't . Now you are softening up when facing the realities. And no rcid wouldn't have to sell the garages... And that would be against what Disney would want. One word.... LEASE

If you go back and look at what I said from the very beginning I said they can't because that's specifically what I was told. I'm not a lawyer and I don't have the time to go and research this whole issue so I took that at face value. It seemed reasonable to me and still does.

 

[flynnibus]

Another good example where government build things and turn them to profits (or try...). - stadium authorities, port authorities, etc. the gov funds and or builds the stadium, then leases it back to the entity they built it for.

The argument is for the greater good/benefit - not that things must be subsidized, free, low cost, etc

Just remember that next time you are at that MLB or NLF game

 

[lazyboy97o]

You know I've worked with people in RCID and worked with people who work for Disney and liaison between them and RCID, I've never gotten the impression that Disney "runs RCID". The book you mentioned like all the other stuff out there tries to wrap all the stories of these two entities up into this mythology and conspiracy and make it seem like it's more than it is. I do hope you can understand that while that's rooted in facts it's purpose is to entertain.

Those are good examples but to me they don't cross the same line as having you government build a tax free garage turning around and buying it from them and then charge the public to park there.

The grievances of those surrounding the Improvement District should not be dismissed as mere entertainment. And yes, by deciding who is in place and the policies, Disney very much does run things. If they want a zoning change, Disney gets a zoning change. If they want roads moved, they get roads moved. If they want garages built without additional taxes being paid they get a garage built.

 

[s8film40]

The grievances of those surrounding the Improvement District should not be dismissed as mere entertainment. And yes, by deciding who is in place and the policies, Disney very much does run things. If they want a zoning change, Disney gets a zoning change. If they want roads moved, they get roads moved. If they want garages built without additional taxes being paid they get a garage built.

It's no different than any government, the only difference is Disney is the majority and yes things usually go their way. The vast majority of the time RCID doesn't do anything different than what any local government would do for such a big business. I've personally witnessed fines being issued to Disney, I can assure you the management involved at that point in time didn't feel like they were running RCID. So while yes Disney has an extreme amount of control of RCID they do still have to operate as an independent public government. RCID ownes and operates areas beyond just the scope of Disney and they have certain responsibilities, they can't always do everything Disney wants them to do.

By the way for those interested in learning more about RCID besides just books and stories online, just about every portion of the district allows visitors and tours of facilities. You can see the various things they do, the facilities they operate, talk with the employees and even sit in on the meetings. It really is fascinating, just don't be disappointed if your fantastical conspiracy theory impression of them is crushed a little.

 

[FerretAfros]

These are the same chuckleducks that want to screw up I-66 for the next four years and put HOT lanes on them.

Right, because the HOT lanes are totally going to fix the problems our roads have; they've worked so well on 95 (and they just proposed adding them to 395 too). Between the obsession with charging tolls on formerly-"free" roads and the disaster that the Silver Line has been on Orange and Blue Line operations, we're really living the transit dream in noVA right now

I guess it's a good thing that Disney's America never got built. Can you imagine how much worse the traffic would be if the area around Haymarket was developed? Oh wait, nevermind...

 

[lazyboy97o]

It's no different than any government, the only difference is Disney is the majority and yes things usually go their way. The vast majority of the time RCID doesn't do anything different than what any local government would do for such a big business. I've personally witnessed fines being issued to Disney, I can assure you the management involved at that point in time didn't feel like they were running RCID. So while yes Disney has an extreme amount of control of RCID they do still have to operate as an independent public government. RCID ownes and operates areas beyond just the scope of Disney and they have certain responsibilities, they can't always do everything Disney wants them to do.

By the way for those interested in learning more about RCID besides just books and stories online, just about every portion of the district allows visitors and tours of facilities. You can see the various things they do, the facilities they operate, talk with the employees and even sit in on the meetings. It really is fascinating, just don't be disappointed if your fantastical conspiracy theory impression of them is crushed a little.

Recognizing the reality of why the Reedy Creek Improvement District exists is not a conspiracy theory. And those reasons you keep citing for why they cannot do something happen all the time with other government agencies with other constituents.

 

[s8film40]

Recognizing the reality of why the Reedy Creek Improvement District exists is not a conspiracy theory. And those reasons you keep citing for why they cannot do something happen all the time with other government agencies with other constituents.

I was simply pointing out that this isn't a matter of Disney just deciding to start charging for parking on a lot or garage that they have. Not everyone understands the more complex nature of who owns and operates the DS garages. I think we all have a clear understanding of that now. If you choose to believe that Disney sold land to Reedy Creek, had them issue bonds to fund construction of a garage and plans to buy or lease it back so that they can operate it taking in the parking fees for profit, meanwhile signing on new tenants to a currently "free parking" shopping center only to change that shortly after construction all so that they could simply skip out on paying taxes to the state and potentially stir up controversy over how they funded the whole thing then okay. I'm going to choose to believe what I was told and exercise common sense.

 

[indyumd]

Right, because the HOT lanes are totally going to fix the problems our roads have; they've worked so well on 95 (and they just proposed adding them to 395 too). Between the obsession with charging tolls on formerly-"free" roads and the disaster that the Silver Line has been on Orange and Blue Line operations, we're really living the transit dream in noVA right now

I guess it's a good thing that Disney's America never got built. Can you imagine how much worse the traffic would be if the area around Haymarket was developed? Oh wait, nevermind...

You should've chosen to live in the state that doesn't have to cross any water to get into DC.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I was simply pointing out that this isn't a matter of Disney just deciding to start charging for parking on a lot or garage that they have. Not everyone understands the more complex nature of who owns and operates the DS garages. I think we all have a clear understanding of that now. If you choose to believe that Disney sold land to Reedy Creek, had them issue bonds to fund construction of a garage and plans to buy or lease it back so that they can operate it taking in the parking fees for profit, meanwhile signing on new tenants to a currently "free parking" shopping center only to change that shortly after construction all so that they could simply skip out on paying taxes to the state and potentially stir up controversy over how they funded the whole thing then okay. I'm going to choose to believe what I was told and exercise common sense.

Acknowledging a very real possibility is not the same as thinking it will be happening. There already was controversy over the garages because it very much is Disney skipping out on the taxes and to also potentially shift some of the cost to the new tenants.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Right, because the HOT lanes are totally going to fix the problems our roads have; they've worked so well on 95 (and they just proposed adding them to 395 too). Between the obsession with charging tolls on formerly-"free" roads and the disaster that the Silver Line has been on Orange and Blue Line operations, we're really living the transit dream in noVA right now

I guess it's a good thing that Disney's America never got built. Can you imagine how much worse the traffic would be if the area around Haymarket was developed? Oh wait, nevermind...

Thats where I live. I literally - not figuratively - literally drive thru there every day.

 

[JaxFLBear]

Who are the 12 people who said "yes" to this survey?

Its not an option to display who voted what.

Click on the number of votes to see who voted.

 

[dizda]

Click on the number of votes to see who voted.

Thanks for the tip.

 

[jklakeview]

Haven't read the entire thread so I'm sorry if this was brought up already but why not just do 3 hour parking free. Anyone shopping or eating there should be fine with that amount of time. After that charge like $5.00 an hour. Anyone parking for a theme park will be paying a lot more than theme park parking lot prices and with having to take a bus to a hotel and transferring to a theme park, no one will even try it. If they do then Disney makes out. I've personally never parked in Disney Springs and gone to the theme park because transferring buses is just too annoying. I'd rather pay the regular parking price.

 

[asianway]

Disney runs the Reedy Creek Improvement District, so Disney being busy is a meaningless issue. The deals involved are technicalities between Disney and an entity it controls regarding a non-safety related issue. The biggest issue wit's paying is the design of the garages themselves, multiple access points with a single lane of traffic.

By using it to acquire limited issue bonds, which means other agencies in the state could not acquire those bonds. By building a garage for Disney's own use. By trying to prevent access to Bonnet Creek. By being able to build with impunity despite impacts on the surrounding areas. Married to the Mouse is an entire book of such issues.

I can't believe people think RCID is a benevolent independent governing body...

 

[Uncle Lupe]

What are the current bus routes leaving DS and how late can you get back to DS? Only used the water taxi when we were there.

I would think Disney wants to push parking at DS to help unclog hotel parking lots. While using the resort parking fee to shift habits

I agree that pay to park at DS will not happen.

Use or complimentary parking at Disney Springs