raven
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CityWalk charges. But at 5pm, the fee drops to $3, and free to FL residents. They also have "complimentary" valet parking for the three signature restaurants in the hotels.
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CityWalk charges. But at 5pm, the fee drops to $3, and free to FL residents. They also have "complimentary" valet parking for the three signature restaurants in the hotels.
Quick update on why this isn't happening.
- The garages aren't setup for any form of payment system, and adding any such system would have a considerable impact on getting the cars in and out.
- The tenants have been brought onboard knowing parking will be free for guests.
- Ownership of the garages is RCID, which would mean a buyout of the garages would be needed.
- Free parking is one of the advantages Disney will be pushing in comparison to other locations.
I think we can call this rumor a no-go and put it to bed.
Who are the 12 people who said "yes" to this survey?
It's still an interesting discussion.Yeah, Now I regret bringing it to class....
I'm sure some people have plenty of money and figure if there's a fee it will be less crowded and easier to get into.Its not an option to display who voted what.
Suffice to say they must love paying for parking.
Disneyland owns their garage, there's a big difference between a privately owned garage and one that's publicly owned. You really can't compare Disneyland. It would be more accurate to compare it to a city or county owned garage somewhere.
Yes it could. As soon as Disney starts raking in the profits from the government funded garage you can bet people will be calling for the RCID to be disbanded though.Many of which charge w/o issue.
Has everyone forgotten who put up parking meters? The local governments.
The whole idea that it was funded through bonds so it has to be free is ludicrous. Who gets the money etc could all be handled within a simple lease agreement.
The Disney Springs parking garage is not owned by Disney it is a government owned public parking garage. They can't operate at a profit, they're not a business.
Disney has constantly taken advantage of and been cavalier about using the power of the Improvement District. Disney profiting from the garages (which isn't the only outcome of charging) wouldn't be the first time people have called for Reedy Creek's dissolution.Yes it could. As soon as Disney starts raking in the profits from the government funded garage you can bet people will be calling for the RCID to be disbanded though.
Disney has always been very careful not to unduly take advantage of RCID. Everything RCID does is for the public, serves the public interests at WDW and they do not actively take money from visiting guests. If you look at any project that RCID does it's clear they have plenty of money. They put far more into their projects than most other communities, private businesses or even Disney would. This garage is a great example of that with the parking spot locator system, light up pedestrian crossings and the overall quality of the garage itself.
I never claimed to know a lot about the technicalities of how this situation works. All I know is that the garage is there it's paid for and it's operating and serving RCID and Disney's purposes perfectly. I'm sure there is some complicated round about way Disney could take it over and make a few bucks from it, I just don't see that being their motivation. They have enough business of their own to run, they're already outsourcing more and more. I just don't think they want to run a parking garage that's already running just fine. I was told by one of the persons with Disney overseeing the project that because of the way it was set up with RCID they could never charge for parking in future. This seemed like a reasonable reason to me and I assumed there may be a little more behind that than just the fact that RCID was involved and maybe had something to do with the way the whole deal was put together. I also wouldn't think Disney would want people to get upset over them using RCID to build a garage, then take it over and start making money from it. This is really just common sense on my part it could make them look pretty bad.You have this ideal... And apparently not a lot of exposure to how it doesn't matter. Just how "nonprofits can't make profits". Simply the money has to stay in the system. Governments can be cash positive , just usually there are requirements written into the enabling legislation that pricing should be reasonable or only to cover expenses. There is no universal law that says things must be neutral.
The way you get around no profits is that you need to pay bonds interest... And save for capital improvements. You can't do that operating at a loss.
You have this ideal... And apparently not a lot of exposure to how it doesn't matter. Just how "nonprofits can't make profits". Simply the money has to stay in the system. Governments can be cash positive , just usually there are requirements written into the enabling legislation that pricing should be reasonable or only to cover expenses. There is no universal law that says things must be neutral.
The way you get around no profits is that you need to pay bonds interest... And save for capital improvements. You can't do that operating at a loss.
Do you have any examples of how Disney has taken advantage of RCID?Disney has constantly taken advantage of and been cavalier about using the power of the Improvement District. Disney profiting from the garages (which isn't the only outcome of charging) wouldn't be the first time people have called for Reedy Creek's dissolution.
Yes it could. As soon as Disney starts raking in the profits from the government funded garage you can bet people will be calling for the RCID to be disbanded though.
Disney has always been very careful not to unduly take advantage of RCID. Everything RCID does is for the public, serves the public interests at WDW and they do not actively take money from visiting guests. If you look at any project that RCID does it's clear they have plenty of money. They put far more into their projects than most other communities, private businesses or even Disney would. This garage is a great example of that with the parking spot locator system, light up pedestrian crossings and the overall quality of the garage itself.
Disney runs the Reedy Creek Improvement District, so Disney being busy is a meaningless issue. The deals involved are technicalities between Disney and an entity it controls regarding a non-safety related issue. The biggest issue wit's paying is the design of the garages themselves, multiple access points with a single lane of traffic.I never claimed to know a lot about the technicalities of how this situation works. All I know is that the garage is there it's paid for and it's operating and serving RCID and Disney's purposes perfectly. I'm sure there is some complicated round about way Disney could take it over and make a few bucks from it, I just don't see that being their motivation. They have enough business of their own to run, they're already outsourcing more and more. I just don't think they want to run a parking garage that's already running just fine. I was told by one of the persons with Disney overseeing the project that because of the way it was set up with RCID they could never charge for parking in future. This seemed like a reasonable reason to me and I assumed there may be a little more behind that than just the fact that RCID was involved and maybe had something to do with the way the whole deal was put together. I also wouldn't think Disney would want people to get upset over them using RCID to build a garage, then take it over and start making money from it. This is really just common sense on my part it could make them look pretty bad.
By using it to acquire limited issue bonds, which means other agencies in the state could not acquire those bonds. By building a garage for Disney's own use. By trying to prevent access to Bonnet Creek. By being able to build with impunity despite impacts on the surrounding areas. Married to the Mouse is an entire book of such issues.Do you have any examples of how Disney has taken advantage of RCID?
I'm not saying the garage is a one of a kind, I'm simply saying they spent a lot more money than was needed. My point is simply they have plenty of money they don't need to charge money to keep the thing running. Therefore we can all agree they would need to sell it to Disney to justify a need to charge money. The question that comes up then is why didn't Disney just build it in the first place if they're willing to buy it. There's only one answer to that and that's to avoid paying taxes on it.Pfft... Bwi airport has had a similar system for many many years. The local shopping mall has it too (tysons). The new garages aren't any model of opulent. Their most impressive feature IMO is the quality of lighting.
Disney has to play a dance when it comes to Rcid- but your idea of what is possible is extremely limited and blind to the simple ways around things.
Who can tell us if Disney parking lots operate at a profit? Unless your the state government threatening to change the laws... No one is getting a real view of disney's true Costs at such a micro level. You get statements shaped to their agenda
I do think there's something to this and Disney will look into it.
However for the reasons Steve and s8Film put forth, its not horribly likely. Unless Disney wants to buy the garages from RCID....
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