Large Piece Falls off Monorail - Being Evacuated

mousehockey37

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I have not. That would be logical, but doesn't mesh with what has been told here.

Well, you're going again soon enough. Pay attention when you're hopping in your clam shell or whatever at the person behind the monitor. At this point, most of this stuff needs to be dropped. It's nowhere near on topic anyway. This went from monorails to ride monitoring systems.
 

mousehockey37

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How does it stop? Does a control station know? Does it stop itself? Or is manual contact to someone who has the ability to stop it necessary to bring it to someone's attention?

You do know that they have the train tour right? I think they still do anyway... This would be great banter for that tour.
 

21stamps

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Bus drivers tell us all bogus rumors too, what's your point? FWIW, did you see who he was talking to before you started in? I'm aware he said that.

My point is.. I would like someone to admit/confirm, that there probably isn't a chance of a runaway monorail or a disabled dangerous monorail that just merrily continues on it's route, unknown to all, and putting everyone in danger.
 

mousehockey37

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My point is.. I would like someone to admit/confirm, that there probably isn't a chance of a runaway monorail or a disabled dangerous monorail that just merrily continues on it's route, unknown to all, and putting everyone in danger.

You are asking a question that you may not get an answer to. Common sense says that if there ever was a runaway train, they operate on electric. If the power goes off, the train has nothing to run on.
 

lazyboy97o

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It's very relevant, because I have been stuck enough times, or waiting in line during the ride being stuck, and have been told enough times, that the ride stops if and when it detects any problem.

I don't need to google that.
Sensors are not magic. They have specific, defined parameters. What you describe are automatic E-stops. There were no sensors saying there was a problem with Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.

Well, Mr. Monorail... tell us what's going on with Blue. Give us your educated guess on what's up. No chance to back out.... diagnose and fix time.
Not knowing the cause is exactly what makes parts falling off machinery an emergency situation.

Have you ever peeked at the CM ride operator desk when getting on a ride? There's a screen there with all the controls for the ride. I'm sure if sensors are triggered, it comes up on that monitor. How else would they know where the problems are that need fixed?
All ride systems are still manually checked because the sensors do not cover everything. It was during such checks that it was discovered that Space Mountain at Disneyland was no longer structurally sound and had to be closed immediately.

My point is.. I would like someone to admit/confirm, that there probably isn't a chance of a runaway monorail or a disabled dangerous monorail that just merrily continues on it's route, unknown to all, and putting everyone in danger.
A young man died because of a runaway monorail. A portion of Monorail Silver was burnt to a crisp because it continued on its way after what most would consider a small problem, a flat tire.
 

21stamps

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Sensors are not magic. They have specific, defined parameters. What you describe are automatic E-stops. There were no sensors saying there was a problem with Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.


Not knowing the cause is exactly what makes parts falling off machinery an emergency situation.


All ride systems are still manually checked because the sensors do not cover everything. It was during such checks that it was discovered that Space Mountain at Disneyland was no longer structurally sound and had to be closed immediately.


A young man died because of a runaway monorail. A portion of Monorail Silver was burnt to a crisp because it continued on its way after what most would consider a small problem, a flat tire.

Do they do manual checks daily? Does anyone know the answer to that?
Like I said, I know one of the major amusement park chains in this country does, so I would be shocked if Disney doesn't.

Have the monorails been updated since those accidents? Or did they just decide not to change anything?
 

s8film40

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So it's not uncommon. Great. So get a crew out there to check the beams for any trees/branches/obstructions and move on... So why in your years of monorails didn't you come up with a way to prevent this? Or was this beyond your pay grade?
Yes it was above my pay grade, all I did was drive the trains. The beam is checked daily for obstructions as part of the opening procedures. It's just one of those things where there are so many factors involved that something will eventually go wrong. Take for example tires. The load tires on the monorail are never used for the full length of miles they are rated for. The beam way due to being elevated is almost always completely free of any debris that could damage a tire. Theoretically a tire should never ever have an issue on a monorail, yet occasionally and rarely one goes flat or ironically also in the case of Monorail Blue something much worse.
How does it stop? Does a control station know? Does it stop itself? Or is manual contact to someone who has the ability to stop it necessary to bring it to attention?
There isn't some magical system that knows everything that's happening to the entire monorail system. There are sensors that give indications of an error. It's up to people to interpret those errors as well as others to interpret what they can see. If someone sees a problem they have the ability to stop things.
 

s8film40

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My point is.. I would like someone to admit/confirm, that there probably isn't a chance of a runaway monorail or a disabled dangerous monorail that just merrily continues on it's route, unknown to all, and putting everyone in danger.
I can only confirm that I know of several scenarios although highly unlikely that could create a runaway monorail or disabled dangerous monorail that continues on its route unknown to all.
 

21stamps

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Yes it was above my pay grade, all I did was drive the trains. The beam is checked daily for obstructions as part of the opening procedures. It's just one of those things where there are so many factors involved that something will eventually go wrong. Take for example tires. The load tires on the monorail are never used for the full length of milesnthey are rated for. The beam way due to being elevated is almost always completely free of any debris that could damage a tire. Theoretically a tire should never ever have an issue on a monorail, yet occasionally and rarely one goes flat or ironically also in the case of Monorail Blue something much worse.
There isn't some magical system that knows everything that's happening to the entire monorail system. There are sensors that give indications of an error. It's up to people to interpret those errors as well as others to interpret what they can see. If someone sees a problem they have the ability to stop things.

Luckily for me, at the park I spend the majority of my time at, I'm not relying only on high school kids for my life. The rides have the capability to stop themselves, and do.

I was curious if the monorail needed manual assistance only, according to you- it does.
Thank you for answering.
 

lazyboy97o

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Luckily for me, at the park I spend the majority of my time at, I'm not relying only on high school kids for my life. The rides have the capability to stop themselves, and do.
Only for specific scenarios that can be monitored. Even then, they could potentially override those systems.
 

s8film40

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Luckily for me, at the park I spend the majority of my time at, I'm not relying only on high school kids for my life. The rides have the capability to stop themselves, and do.

I was curious if the monorail needed manual assistance only, according to you- it does.
Thank you for answering.
Well the answer is really yes and no. There is a vast number of things that will cause a monorail to automatically stop. Other things require a person making a judgement call and paying attention. This is true of virtually any ride or transportation system.
 

mousehockey37

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Luckily for me, at the park I spend the majority of my time at, I'm not relying only on high school kids for my life. The rides have the capability to stop themselves, and do.

I was curious if the monorail needed manual assistance only, according to you- it does.
Thank you for answering.

I thought Disney was your go-to park. Seems you're always there multiple times a year....

Anyway, maintenance and Disney is a big thing obviously and we're all getting nowhere with it. I guess it's best to say that if you speak with the checkbook, maybe things will get done. Just like anything else that happens in the parks.
 

21stamps

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I thought Disney was your go-to park. Seems you're always there multiple times a year....

Anyway, maintenance and Disney is a big thing obviously and we're all getting nowhere with it. I guess it's best to say that if you speak with the checkbook, maybe things will get done. Just like anything else that happens in the parks.

I was at the water park of our amusement park tonight. I live literally a few minutes away from a Cedar Fair property..I'm there much more than Disney. I have Platinum passes to both this year.. but won't be renewing my Disney one.
 

Nubs70

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The maintenance is done off season, or when needed and periodic closures, sometimes stretching into open season. Disney doesn't have that luxury, but I can't believe, with the lack of common issues, that they don't perform maintenance.
They may be doing maintenance, however, based on available maintenance time, the reliability of the monorail is pretty poor.
 

natatomic

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Do they do manual checks daily? Does anyone know the answer to that?
Like I said, I know one of the major amusement park chains in this country does, so I would be shocked if Disney doesn't.

Have the monorails been updated since those accidents? Or did they just decide not to change anything?

I've worked 10 different attractions/operations, and they all have EXTENSIVE checklists every morning. I know maintenance has their own set, though I don't know specifics. But I know each ride has every e-stop, ride-stop, station-stop on every single console tested daily. I know each and every height stick is measured daily. I know each and every windshield wiper on the boats is checked every morning before operating. Checklists are nitpicky as hell, but for good reason. They make sure everything is still safe. Now, we live in an imperfect world, so there's always the possibility something is overlooked or gets damaged in the middle of the day. But trust me, Disney doesn't just open its doors in the morning and say, "was everything still running last night? Good, then it'll probably keep running today."
 

21stamps

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I've worked 10 different attractions/operations, and they all have EXTENSIVE checklists every morning. I know maintenance has their own set, though I don't know specifics. But I know each ride has every e-stop, ride-stop, station-stop on every single console tested daily. I know each and every height stick is measured daily. I know each and every windshield wiper on the boats is checked every morning before operating. Checklists are nitpicky as hell, but for good reason. They make sure everything is still safe. Now, we live in an imperfect world, so there's always the possibility something is overlooked or gets damaged in the middle of the day. But trust me, Disney doesn't just open its doors in the morning and say, "was everything still running last night? Good, then it'll probably keep running today."

Omg. Thank you! This is what I was waiting for someone to say.lol

Your personal account is exactly what I assumed would happen daily.
 

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