Large Piece Falls off Monorail - Being Evacuated

[raven]

We both agree that 911 should be used responsibly, they difference is over whether this qualified or not.

What if this guests only memory of anything like this happening is the monorail crash from years back? I think calling 911 would be appropriate because he said pieces were falling yet the monorail kept going. He probably thought it was wise to alert emergency services in this case with that old incident still in his head.

 

[xdan0920]

Quick semi on topic tip....

Check a posters post history before engaging them in any back and forth. You could save yourself much aggravation.

 

[Cesar R M]

I am in no way saying the monorails are perfect. And the monorails do need a lot of work or replaced entirely. This particular train was just repainted.

But there is a huge difference between something rotting away and falling off and something being torn off. While both have the same end result they could have very different causes.

I dont think paint will ever fix structural issues and wear and tear on the main casing/skeleton of the monorail.

 

[mousehockey37]

I dont think paint will ever fix structural issues and wear and tear on the main casing/skeleton of the monorail.

I dunno.....

 

[Cesar R M]

100% This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Guests to WDW can't fathom closures. This is proven by countless threads here and elsewhere about how vacations are ruined and such because favorite rides/attractions aren't open. Well people, let this small example be something that stands out!

Yes, it's WDW. Yes, it'd be great if everything were always open. Sadly, things break. These transportation options are used and abused heavily on a daily basis, the rides go through far worse abuse. Things strain and break and need downtime.

This is one of the reasons I think they got rid of the 24 hour events. There literally was no downtime for maintenance to maintain the rides.

They'll patch Blue up and it'll be back running again, but people need to learn that if something has to go down for a major refurb, that it's for their safety to do so. Not because Disney is trying to be a PITA and ruin their vacation.

Didn't they used to repair things constantly at night and thus they didnt need super long multi month wide refurbs?

 

[mousehockey37]

Didn't they used to repair things constantly at night and thus they didnt need super long multi month wide refurbs?

Well, if you think about it, general maintenance can happen overnight. Complete rehabs of rides to update track, scenery, effects, etc take a little more time. I'd imagine that the overnight stuff would be where they're making sure the tracks aren't cracked or missing bolts etc. and that if certain boats, cars, trains, etc need to come off the track for service, they do that.

There's going to be a time where every single attraction in WDW has to undergo a lengthy refurb. If not for safety reasons, for aesthetic purposes. Everything needs a shot in the arm at some point.

 

[Cesar R M]

Actually I never said that. Go back and read my very first post on this thread that you attacked. I said "I fear." The new gondola will be built in the Lightning Capital of the U.S. That fact alone nearly means something is bound to happen.

I do not see whats wrong with lightning. They could just build very tall arrestors. The only issue will be getting people scared of the noise and the light.

 

[Cesar R M]

I dunno.....

I wonder if painting the main skeleton area of the monorails will make them look Trendy

Well, if you think about it, general maintenance can happen overnight. Complete rehabs of rides to update track, scenery, effects, etc take a little more time. I'd imagine that the overnight stuff would be where they're making sure the tracks aren't cracked or missing bolts etc. and that if certain boats, cars, trains, etc need to come off the track for service, they do that.

There's going to be a time where every single attraction in WDW has to undergo a lengthy refurb. If not for safety reasons, for aesthetic purposes. Everything needs a shot in the arm at some point.

I know, but there are a few that have mentioned that the maintenance has actually dropped vastly in WDW. Despite having the "3 team shifts". Most of the big repair work is done to contractors on call and not inhouse who could be working on the clock repairing issues.
And I know big things like repairing entire areas still need refurb. But not that as long as with WDW in the past years (like those 4+ months of refurb that didn't fixed all the issues, they ended just disabling some of the shows parts for example).

 

[Cesar R M]

If you see a piece fall off a monorail and there isn't a CM near by, you have no way of knowing if it might compromise the safety of the monorail or not, so calling 911 seams sensible to me.

Plus I'd think it would be better to take a photo or where it fell and how it fell and stay where you are instead of picking a part that MIGHT be dangerous (think of chemicals or electrical) to the person.

Plus less tempering = better analysis of what the hell went wrong.

 

[mousehockey37]

I know, but there are a few that have mentioned that the maintenance has actually dropped vastly in WDW. Despite having the "3 team shifts". Most of the big repair work is done to contractors on call and not inhouse who could be working on the clock repairing issues.
And I know big things like repairing entire areas still need refurb. But not that as long as with WDW in the past years (like those 4+ months of refurb that didn't fixed all the issues, they ended just disabling some of the shows parts for example).

Well, we've seen the cuts in entertainment at WDW, so why not maintenance. As long as everything still somewhat runs, they'll just keep cutting back. We know Disney is in it for the $$$$. What's a few effects anyway, right? LOL.

 

[mousehockey37]

Plus I'd think it would be better to take a photo or where it fell and how it fell and stay where you are instead of picking a part that MIGHT be dangerous (think of chemicals or electrical) to the person.

Plus less tempering = better analysis of what the hell went wrong.

Hey, I said that too... got blasted for it, but I said this as well.

 

[s8film40]

What if this guests only memory of anything like this happening is the monorail crash from years back? I think calling 911 would be appropriate because he said pieces were falling yet the monorail kept going. He probably thought it was wise to alert emergency services in this case with that old incident still in his head.

If you find yourself in a situation where you're questioning if you should call 911, the answer is always to call. Better safe than sorry. If someone can call because they didn't get their chicken nuggets at McDonald's then a mistaken overreaction is nothing.

 

[21stamps]

If you're not willing to learn about Disney's own problems in the area of maintenance then you have no business lecturing about it.

Ok, so I'm asking, what are Disney's maintenance problems?
I already asked what the lifespan of the current monorails were supposed to be, no one answered.

I can name at least 6 roller coasters at 2 amusement parks that are almost guaranteed to be closed at some point during any given day. Still safe.

I don't hear about this as often at Disney. There hasn't seemed to be too many evacuations off rides at Disney.
I think they built their rides so no one can reach to the side and touch anything (read that one here actually).. so if they go thru that to even build a ride, and they have a monorail system which is a huge form of transport and have made serious updates to it.. then after all that.. they don't maintain their monorail and attractions?

 

[mousehockey37]

If you find yourself in a situation where you're questioning if you should call 911, the answer is always to call. Better safe than sorry. If someone can call because they didn't get their chicken nuggets at McDonald's then a mistaken overreaction is nothing.

While true, a false call takes precious time and resources away from a real emergency.

 

[mousehockey37]

Ok, so I'm asking, what are Disney's maintenance problems?
I already asked what the lifespan of the current monorails were supposed to be, no one answered.

I can name at least 6 roller coasters at 2 amusement parks that are almost guaranteed to be closed at some point during any given day. Still safe.
I don't hear about this as often at Disney. There hasn't seemed to be too many evacuations off rides at Disney.
I think they built their rides so no one can reach to the side and touch anything (read that one here actually).. so if they go thru that to even build a ride, and they have a monorail system which is a huge form of transport and have made serious updates to it.. then after all that.. they don't maintain their monorail and attractions?

Disney is really good at hiding things. Just because you don't see it or hear about it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Ok, so I'm asking, what are Disney's maintenance problems?
I already asked what the lifespan of the current monorails were supposed to be, no one answered.

I can name at least 6 roller coasters at 2 amusement parks that are almost guaranteed to be closed at some point during any given day. Still safe.

I don't hear about this as often at Disney. There hasn't seemed to be too many evacuations off rides at Disney.
I think they built their rides so no one can reach to the side and touch anything (read that one here actually).. so if they go thru that to even build a ride, and they have a monorail system which is a huge form of transport and have made serious updates to it.. then after all that.. they don't maintain their monorail and attractions?

Ride safety envelopes are not maintenance and are minimally defined by the manufacturer. Evacuations and rides bring down are also not always related to maintenance. Instead of bringing up unrelated stuff, do the research that you already rebuffed because you did a tour at Cedar Point.

 

[21stamps]

While true, a false call takes precious time and resources away from a real emergency.

Exactly. 911 is for emergencies that have no viable alternative. Not a little piece of a Disney World monorail falling off.

If someone got hit by that piece, by all means call 911.

 

[mousehockey37]

Exactly. 911 is for emergencies that have no viable alternative. Not a little piece of a Disney World monorail falling off.

If someone got hit by that piece, by all means call 911.

But remember, the caveat to this is:

What constitutes an emergency to one, is not an emergency to another. Just like anything else we discuss on these forums, everyone's viewpoint is going to be a little bit different.

 

[s8film40]

While true, a false call takes precious time and resources away from a real emergency.

Nope. Time is the most important factor in any potential emergency. The point is if you can't completely determine on your own that it isn't an emergency then the default is to treat it as an emergency.

 

[mousehockey37]

Nope. Time is the most important factor in any potential emergency. The point is if you can't completely determine on your own that it isn't an emergency then the default is to treat it as an emergency.

We'll agree to disagree then. In this case, the person tried several avenues before getting assistance.

And yes, an emergency call that requires the presence of any first response officials is in fact taking away resources that could respond to future calls.