Large Piece Falls off Monorail - Being Evacuated

[21stamps]

Ride safety envelopes are not maintenance and are minimally defined by the manufacturer. Evacuations and rides bring down are also not always related to maintenance. Instead of bringing up unrelated stuff, do the research that you already rebuffed because you did a tour at Cedar Point.

So, no answer then.lol.

The investment that a company makes in transportation/attractions.. and the sheer volume of guests that use these things, combined with the reputation of the park itself.. added to the amount of incidents they have had... would all be relative to the maintenance they would perform..should be anyway.

I think Cedar Fair parks are extremely safe, I think Disney parks are extremely safe.

But, if you go by the info in this thread, Disney doesn't even have the same standards as Cedar Fair. Sorry if I just find that a little tough to believe. Especially when I spend about 30 or more days per year inside an amusement park or theme park.

 

[raven]

Exactly. 911 is for emergencies that have no viable alternative. Not a little piece of a Disney World monorail falling off.

If someone got hit by that piece, by all means call 911.

The man witnessed pieces coming off the monorail and it kept going, possibly to keep dropping pieces on guest areas. Maybe he thought informing emergency services would be the fastest way to stop possible further damage.

But by calling 911 about an incident on Disney property, Reedy Creek is notified immediately and they will arrive on the scene to assess the situation way before county emergency services show up.

 

[EvilChameleon]

Speaking of Cedar Point and 911, I don't remember people saying they called 911 when pieces of TTD flew off or one of the boats on Shoot The Rapids tipped over and had to have guests tip it back over.

 

[mousehockey37]

So, no answer then.lol.

The investment that a company makes in transportation/attractions.. and the sheer volume of guests that use these things, combined with the reputation of the park itself.. added to the amount of incidents they have had... would all be relative to the maintenance they would perform..should be anyway.

I think Cedar Fair parks are extremely safe, I think Disney parks are extremely safe.

But, if you go by the info in this thread, Disney doesn't even have the same standards as Cedar Fair. Sorry if I just find that a little tough to believe. Especially when I spend about 30 or more days per year inside an amusement park or theme park.

Just remember, amusement parks in the north are only open for so many months of the year. They have time to fully dismantle things from September to April. We're talking about one of, if not the biggest, amusement parks in the world, and it's open all year round with the demand that all the moving parts be operating everyday. There's a big difference there.

 

[s8film40]

We'll agree to disagree then. In this case, the person tried several avenues before getting assistance.

And yes, an emergency call that requires the presence of any first response officials is in fact taking away resources that could respond to future calls.

Well I'll give you a hypothetical, and this is based on an actual incident that happened similar to this one in the past. Let's say this piece falls off the monorail. What's not known is another piece is left hanging. As the monorail crosses the TTC parking lot this piece is lodged between the beam and bus bar and begins ripping the bus bar from the beam sending it down on people below in the parking lot. Now someone could potentially be killed, but is that really worth tying up a 911 operators time who could in turn potentially stop it from happening?

 

[lazyboy97o]

So, no answer then.lol.

The investment that a company makes in transportation/attractions.. and the sheer volume of guests that use these things, combined with the reputation of the park itself.. added to the amount of incidents they have had... would all be relative to the maintenance they would perform..should be anyway.

I think Cedar Fair parks are extremely safe, I think Disney parks are extremely safe.

But, if you go by the info in this thread, Disney doesn't even have the same standards as Cedar Fair. Sorry if I just find that a little tough to believe. Especially when I spend about 30 or more days per year inside an amusement park or theme park.

You were already provided an answer with a time period to look into and rejected it. How much time you spend at amusement parks is totally irrelevant.

Exactly. 911 is for emergencies that have no viable alternative. Not a little piece of a Disney World monorail falling off.

If someone got hit by that piece, by all means call 911.

Once again, Reedy Creek Improvement District has its own dispatcher and emergency services.

 

[mousehockey37]

Well I'll give you a hypothetical, and this is based on an actual incident that happened similar to this one in the past. Let's say this piece falls off the monorail. What's not known is another piece is left hanging. As the monorail crosses the TTC parking lot this piece is lodged between the beam and bus bar and begins ripping the bus bar from the beam sending it down on people below in the parking lot. Now someone could potentially be killed, but is that really worth tying up a 911 operators time who could in turn potentially stop it from happening?

I'm not going to indulge you in a game of hypothetical situations.

 

[raven]

Speaking of Cedar Point and 911, I don't remember people saying they called 911 when pieces of TTD flew off or one of the boats on Shoot The Rapids tipped over and had to have guests tip it back over.

"In a 911 recording, the caller says she was on the ride when it capsized. “Some people are still in the water,” she tells the dispatcher."

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/07/20/7-injured-on-shoot-the-rapids-ride-at-cedar-point/

 

[21stamps]

Just remember, amusement parks in the north are only open for so many months of the year. They have time to fully dismantle things from September to April. We're talking about one of, if not the biggest, amusement parks in the world, and it's open all year round with the demand that all the moving parts be operating everyday. There's a big difference there.

Huge. That's what I said earlier. I know that during the winter months the amusement parks can dissemble each car and check beyond what they do on a daily basis. Disney doesn't have that luxury..and they have a heck of a lot more visitors. The percentage of incidents
would seem that they are doing maintenance.

But mainly, and the original point I was making.. was in regards to the HM story... no way does Disney not have sensors to detect if something goes wrong.

 

[s8film40]

I'm not going to indulge you in a game of hypothetical situations.

Well I'm sorry. As I said this was based on a real incident that actually happened. I spent more than ten years working in monorails. I saw so many things that could have and did happen and that were avoided thanks to people not stopping to second guess their judgement. I love a good debate, but when it comes to safety and more importantly someone encouraging an unsafe behavior I don't "agree to disagree", you're absolutely wrong plain and simple.

 

[21stamps]

You were already provided an answer with a time period to look into and rejected it. How much time you spend at amusement parks is totally irrelevant.


Once again, Reedy Creek Improvement District has its own dispatcher and emergency services.

It's very relevant, because I have been stuck enough times, or waiting in line during the ride being stuck, and have been told enough times, that the ride stops if and when it detects any problem.

I don't need to google that.

 

[mousehockey37]

Well I'm sorry. As I said this was based on a real incident that actually happened. I spent more than ten years working in monorails. I saw so many things that could have and did happen and that were avoided thanks to people not stopping to second guess their judgement. I love a good debate, but when it comes to safety and more importantly someone encouraging an unsafe behavior I don't "agree to disagree", your absolutely wrong plain and simple.

Well, Mr. Monorail... tell us what's going on with Blue. Give us your educated guess on what's up. No chance to back out.... diagnose and fix time.

 

[mousehockey37]

It's very relevant, because I have been stuck enough times, or waiting in line during the ride being stuck, and have been told enough times, that the ride stops if and when it detects any problem.

I don't need to google that.

21, give it up. No one cares how often you visit the parks. It really is irrelevant to this discussion. Your park isn't Disney. They'll all handle things their own way. Let's move on and stop bickering before the admins have to get involved.

 

[21stamps]

Speaking of Cedar Point and 911, I don't remember people saying they called 911 when pieces of TTD flew off or one of the boats on Shoot The Rapids tipped over and had to have guests tip it back over.

"In a 911 recording, the caller says she was on the ride when it capsized. “Some people are still in the water,” she tells the dispatcher."

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/07/20/7-injured-on-shoot-the-rapids-ride-at-cedar-point/

Well from Raven's post, apparently one did. But in this situation, I can understand it.. even though the park would have already been on top of it.

 

[21stamps]

21, give it up. No one cares how often you visit the parks. It really is irrelevant to this discussion. Your park isn't Disney. They'll all handle things their own way. Let's move on and stop bickering before the admins have to get involved.

So are people saying that Disney does not use any kind of alert system? That has been my question, yet to be answered.

Or is just unknown? I don't know if they do for sure, I'm just assuming based on an educated guess.

The relevance is- can a monorail breakdown, have a problem without anyone knowing? Can a car in HM be putting someone's life in danger without any employee being made aware of it, or the ride shutting itself into a halt?

 

[s8film40]

Well, Mr. Monorail... tell us what's going on with Blue. Give us your educated guess on what's up. No chance to back out.... diagnose and fix time.

That's really not the point and it's been discussed already in this thread. Blue obviously had a collector shoe ripped off. As I understand from what I've heard from friends it actually lost 3 and Yellow lost one as well. I would assume there was something obstructing the bus bar that caused this. This is actually not that uncommon of a thing although rare and has happened before. Objects falling from a monorail are obviously very dangerous and the train should be stopped as soon as possible.

 

[mousehockey37]

So are people saying that Disney does not use any kind of alert system? That has been my question, yet to be answered.

Or is just unknown? I don't know if they do for sure, I'm just assuming based on an educated guess.

Have you ever peeked at the CM ride operator desk when getting on a ride? There's a screen there with all the controls for the ride. I'm sure if sensors are triggered, it comes up on that monitor. How else would they know where the problems are that need fixed?

 

[21stamps]

Have you ever peeked at the CM ride operator desk when getting on a ride? There's a screen there with all the controls for the ride. I'm sure if sensors are triggered, it comes up on that monitor. How else would they know where the problems are that need fixed?

I have not. That would be logical, but doesn't mesh with what has been told here.

 

[mousehockey37]

That's really not the point and it's been discussed already in this thread. Blue obviously had a collector shoe ripped off. As I understand from what I've heard from friends it actually lost 3 and Yellow lost one as well. I would assume there was something obstructing the bus bar that caused this. This is actually not that uncommon of a thing although rare and has happened before. Objects falling from a monorail are obviously very dangerous and the train should be stopped as soon as possible.

So it's not uncommon. Great. So get a crew out there to check the beams for any trees/branches/obstructions and move on... So why in your years of monorails didn't you come up with a way to prevent this? Or was this beyond your pay grade?

 

[21stamps]

That's really not the point and it's been discussed already in this thread. Blue obviously had a collector shoe ripped off. As I understand from what I've heard from friends it actually lost 3 and Yellow lost one as well. I would assume there was something obstructing the bus bar that caused this. This is actually not that uncommon of a thing although rare and has happened before. Objects falling from a monorail are obviously very dangerous and the train should be stopped as soon as possible.

How does it stop? Does a control station know? Does it stop itself? Or is manual contact to someone who has the ability to stop it necessary to bring it to attention?