Phroobar
Well-Known Member
The FBI doesn't want you to do it because the malware and monitoring software interferes with the CIA monitoring software already on your phone.
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Lack of Charging stations in Disneyland.
- Thread starter TrainsOfDisney
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truecoat
Well-Known Member
So they put out a warning for fun?
Consumer
Well-Known Member
The FBI put out a warning to justify the existence of their purposeless jobs.
flynnibus
Premium Member
it is a thing... and the point about using your own charger is already mentioned. so not sure what the hate is...
reality it is not a big threat to most people...
There is also a scam where credit card readers can record information - it’s best to tap to pay. Doesn’t mean Disney should ONLY have tap to pay.
chadwpalm
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
It's not a threat to ANY people. There has literally never been a case of this actually happening.
Even the most basic knowledge of how USB works will tell you that USB charging stations (or ports in places like airport seats or any other embedded USB port in a wall plate) don't even have data lines connected to them. Only 5V+ and ground. There are no data lines to tap in to.....just like any other USB charger.
Also, phone manufacturers have been aware of this type of scam for over 10 years and have the appropriate firewalls set up in their operating systems to prevent this. There is no way a large business can last this long without putting at least the most basic security into a device that anything can plug in to.
These warnings are created by bureaucrats sitting behind desks that have no true understanding of how technology works. They see websites or emails floating around that talk about this stuff and issue warnings to (as Consumer said) justify their existance.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Just because it's not making headlines doesn't mean it's not happening. Are you a regular in the security circles?
Yeah, and card readers don't have storage in them either.. until someone swaps out the original hardware with something else. The point is these kinds of 'setup and forget' kiosks and other infrastructure things are easy targets for people to hijack and repurpose with other gear that DOES have data, and compute. They are also easy kinds of targets for someone to create a fake one to begin with. Who verifies the authenticity of the charging stand before you plug into it?
Hellooo android!
Yes, Apple has the trust check, but it's been defeated before and you assume users don't get duped.
Ehh.. no.
chadwpalm
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
As a matter of fact I am. I'm a Computer Engineering major who has spent the last several years working with security on both the OS, driver, and BIOS firmware level. I'm well versed in the industry.
I had an entire message written out with rebuttals for everything including links and even schematics, but I've been on this board long enough to know it will just be a relentless back and forth with you and it's been a long week and I don't have the brain power for such a thing.
I know what I've been taught, I know what I've experienced, and I know what I have researched. So I'll just leave it, as with anything else, up to the individual to discern their comfort level on security, whether necessary or not.
I once had a guest relations CM at Disneyland tell me I shouldn’t plug my phone into the outlets because they are “commercial grade voltage” and would damage my phone. Lol.
flynnibus
Premium Member
So when you goto rsa and defcon you just trust any usb charger you see? Ok….you be you
What schematics? Why not point to commercially available tools like OMG cable - https://shop.hak5.org/products/omg-cable
And schematics don’t address the social vectors commonly used to get users to bypass the builtin gates.
Work with anyone who deals with nation state level stuff (even finance level stuff) and you’ll find them far more paranoid about these vectors than your supposed fantasy fbi writers.
Work with anyone who actually works on the offensive side of this as well and you’ll get a chorus of acks as well.
But please… educate us with your schematics of undefeatable usb ports with only the voltage pins connected. While the real threat actors just dance right past you in your black and white world by changing what you believe is a given.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Have you ever seen a card skimmer yourself in the wild?
Do you need to see it before you can believe it's a risk?
Remember, there is a big difference between "this will never happen to you" (probability) and saying "this can't happen" (possibility).
Like most real cyber threats... most of this is targeted stuff rather than just hoping to infect random aunt mae.
That is because you don't have enough common sense to realize that Disney is trying to suck every penny they can out of your wallet with their overpriced merchandise, tickets, genie and lack of outlets so are forced to buy a power pack if you didn't know about the lack of outlets at the park.
_caleb
Well-Known Member
A new member bumping a dormant thread to reply insultingly to a year-old post and bitterly complain.
As the OP of this thread I will mention how I noticed how many charging stations are in the new epcot. One of the few things that WDW is getting right over DL!
Phroobar
Well-Known Member
Charging stations are good customer service but not mandatory for a park to do. They are like drinking fountains or water bottle refill stations in that they enhance the comfort of guests. They cost very little to install and operate. Even most airports have them. Even Magic Mountain has charging stations but is still lacking on water fountains for some weird reason.
Disneysue
Member
- In the Parks
- No
We bought a solar powered power bank with 3 cable types built in, also has an emergency flashlight. You can charge it up via outlet or sun and while it is bulky, it will FULLY CHARGE 3 smartphones and still have juice left. Personally, I don’t want to sit by an outlet and wait for my phone to charge up, nor will I leave it anywhere to be charged.
Your phone life is your responsibility, not Disneys. Even using my phone for all the things Disney has and my only camera, my iPhone 13 battery was fine. Smartphones are part of our daily lives now, it’s not any business’ responsibility or duty to provide charging services.