LA Times: Is Disney Paying Its Fair Share In Anaheim

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So again I ask, BESIDES increasing wages what other solutions do you have for the wage stagnation issue that plagues our country?

I'm not here to discuss national wage stagnation. I'm here to talk about Disneyland.

Disneyland has kept its wages low while it raised admission prices nonstop and regional living costs skyrocketed. Your determination to defend such a contemptible act from a corporation that has more than enough resources to have kept wages in line with inflation is ridiculous. Therefore, continuing this discussion with you would be a waste of time for me, so I'm out. Have fun bruh. :)
 

21stamps

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I'm not here to discuss national wage stagnation. I'm here to talk about Disneyland.

Disneyland has kept its wages low while it raised admission prices nonstop and regional living costs skyrocketed. Your determination to defend such a contemptible act from a corporation that has more than enough resources to have kept wages in line with inflation is ridiculous. Therefore, continuing this discussion with you would be a waste of time for me, so I'm out. Have fun bruh. :)
This is a problem here.. people say “I only want to discuss Disney World” or “Disneyland” “everything else is irrelevant”.

Disney is neither a “World” or a “Land” of it’s own.

It exists in the actual world, on actual land belonging to the United States of America. Therefore, it’s impossible to view Disneyland or Disney World as an island of their own.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I'm not here to discuss national wage stagnation. I'm here to talk about Disneyland.

Disneyland has kept its wages low while it raised admission prices nonstop and regional living costs skyrocketed. Your determination to defend such a contemptible act from a corporation that has more than enough resources to have kept wages in line with inflation is ridiculous. Therefore, continuing this discussion with you would be a waste of time for me, so I'm out. Have fun bruh. :)

Obviously you only hear/read what you want regarding this topic, and ignore everything else. I haven't defended anything, and I have said MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY times over now that Disney can and should pay higher wages, P E R I O D. I don't know how many times to say it. YES DISNEY SHOULD PAY MORE. However that DOES NOT SOLVE THE ISSUE alone. And that is what you don't want to talk about.

As myself and others have tried to convey just increasing the wages for the CM does nothing to solve the issue even in Orange County, which you've already admitted. What will happen is lots and lots of unintended consequences. For example, inflationary forces will prevent any good of a wage increase from doing any real good. This means that any wage increase will be completely wiped out.
 
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flynnibus

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This is what happens when you think policy making is about emotions... and why idiots can get elected these days. They just feed people's emotional desires and can completely ignore results or consequences. Tell them what they want to hear...

How about some real alternatives vs the emotional suger high of just raising wages??

How about zoning laws that steer in affordable housing requirements?
How about encouraging large scale businesses to address housing issues by organizing/funding housing subsidities and/or housing development for workers?
How about pushing for better HC coverage at more affordable rates?
How about more accessible professional development so you don't end up with the 37yr old valet?

How about Disney taking a wholistic approach to their most important aspect so they have the industry's best... instead of the naive thinking that if you just give someone more money all their problems go away.
 

Phroobar

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Why don't we make every $1 bill a $1,000,000 bill, so no one will be poor and we can all be millionaires?

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All you did was made inflation a million times bigger and probably started at least a few global wars. Now I have to use a bigger floating point number in my software and databases. Thanks!
 

SuddenStorm

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All you did was made inflation a million times bigger and probably started at least a few global wars. Now I have to use a bigger floating point number in my software and databases. Thanks!

But hey, we'd all be millionares! And, since it'd increase the minimum wage a million times, it'd solve the "living wage" problem that's plaguing Disneyland employees. We'd be giving the unions a deal that's loads better than what they want.
 

Disney Irish

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But hey, we'd all be millionares! And, since it'd increase the minimum wage a million times, it'd solve the "living wage" problem that's plaguing Disneyland employees. We'd be giving the unions a deal that's loads better than what they want.

Yep, we'd all be poor millionaires.

But hey at least the President would no longer be a liar about being a billionaire.....
 

flynnibus

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This reminds me of the threads where people think the solution to unhappy workers is raising pay. It's such a false sense of success. An unhappy employee is still going to be unhappy in the work environment even if they are less stressed at home. Happy workers will actually work for less pay.

When you treat your employees like crap... pay won't fix it.

Same here - pay raises won't fix that you have grown adults working on the same crap job for 10+ years.. or that the locations accessible to the biggest employer in the area demands high rent... or that no one can afford healthcare without employee programs.

It's naive thinking.
 

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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You guys wanna know the real problem??

I mean the REAL real problem behind ALL of this...

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!!!!THE WORLD IS OVERPOPULATED!!!!

OK, carry on your arguing!

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TP2000

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I'm not here to discuss national wage stagnation. I'm here to talk about Disneyland.

Disneyland has kept its wages low while it raised admission prices nonstop and regional living costs skyrocketed. Your determination to defend such a contemptible act from a corporation that has more than enough resources to have kept wages in line with inflation is ridiculous. Therefore, continuing this discussion with you would be a waste of time for me, so I'm out. Have fun bruh. :)

Agreed that we should keep this to Disneyland specifically, or else it spirals into all the macro-economic trends that our Globalist leaders from both parties have created over the last 30 years with organizations like the Chamber of Commerce advocating open borders and flooding our country with unskilled and uneducated workers that depressed wages nationwide, the mass shipping of our manufacturing base overseas to Communist countries where the peasants now make our refrigerators, tires, TV sets and pajamas for pennies per hour, etc., etc.

Which is why I'd love to get some dollar figures from people. Pay rates from 40 years ago are a little sketchy, but I think it was @Old Mouseketeer who said ride operators in the early 1980's were making $10 an hour. Adjusted for inflation that would be $30 per hour today. So let's say the $18 minimum wage for all Resort District businesses pass and that's the new starting point. Do ride operators start at $18, or do they automatically bump up to a $20 per hour starting rate, with healthy annual $1 raises so that a ride operator with 10 years of tenure is making $30 an hour?

And if a ride operator with a decade of tenure is making $30 an hour, what should Disneyland pay the skilled machinist maintaining roller coasters and Omnimovers who currently makes $22? Or what about the tenured and skilled electrician who currently makes $24 an hour? Or what about the pyrotechnic foreman with multiple licenses he paid for who makes $25 an hour? The 23 year old computer software engineer with 4 years of college education at UCLA who just started at a salary of $70,000, the equivalent of $30 per hour which is what the tenured lady dispatching boats at Pirates of the Caribbean makes? What do you pay that software engineer with a 4 year degree and specialized skills then?
 
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21stamps

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Agreed that we should keep this to Disneyland specifically, or else it spirals into all the macro-economic trends that our Globalist leaders have created over the last 30 years with organizations like the Chamber of Commerce advocating open borders and flooding our country with unskilled and uneducated workers that depressed wages nationwide, the mass shipping of our manufacturing base overseas to Communist countries where the peasants now make our refrigerators, tires, TV sets and pajamas for pennies per hour, etc., etc.

Which is why I'd love to get some dollar figures from people. Pay rates from 40 years ago are a little sketchy, but I think it was @Old Mouseketeer who said ride operators in the early 1980's were making $10 an hour. Adjusted for inflation that would be $30 per hour today. So let's say the $18 minimum wage for all Resort District businesses pass and that's the new starting point. Do ride operators start at $18, or do they automatically bump up to a $20 per hour starting rate, with healthy annual $1 raises so that a ride operator with 10 years of tenure is making $30 an hour?

And if a ride operator with a decade of tenure is making $30 an hour, what should Disneyland pay the skilled machinist maintaining roller coasters and Omnimovers who currently makes $22? Or what about the tenured and skilled electrician who currently makes $24 an hour? Or what about the pyrotechnic foreman with multiple licenses he paid for who makes $23 an hour? The computer software engineer with 4 years of college education who just started at a salary of $70,000, which is the equivalent of $30 per hour which is what the lady with a decade of tenure dispatching boats at Pirates of the Caribbean makes? What do you pay that software engineer then?

Did the ride operators really make $10 per hour in the early 80s?
 

Phroobar

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I can see Disney getting rid of a lot of CM ride operators if they could figure out how to automate it. They are already trying to do that with cashiers. The problem is the guests are stupid and a computer AI really couldn't keep guests from loading/unloading badly. Disney needs some kind of West World robot to direct guests.
 

TP2000

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Did the ride operators really make $10 per hour in the early 80s?

Supposedly, yes. That was before the big strike in 1983, which now makes sense why there was a big strike as Disneyland tried to reel in hourly wages if ride operators were making $10 an hour back then.

The thing is, even the software engineer making $70,000 can't afford a home in Orange County now. You need to be making $165,000 per year to afford the median home in OC.

There are several trends at work here driving up property values in OC. For example all of the Chinese nationals who are now buying homes at record paces in Irvine and south Orange County as an investment and hedge against their Communist government that will eventually fail and collapse. There are entire apartment complexes in Irvine where hundreds of pregnant Chinese women are flown in during their third trimester to have their child on US soil and gain American citizenship for their child at the same time they are buying a house in OC. http://www.newsweek.com/feds-raid-maternity-hotels-birth-tourists-777643
 
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Phroobar

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Animaniac93-98

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How about some real alternatives vs the emotional suger high of just raising wages??

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Give people an extra $2/hour in the short term, while you develop and implement longer-term solutions?

How about zoning laws that steer in affordable housing requirements?
How about encouraging large scale businesses to address housing issues by organizing/funding housing subsidities and/or housing development for workers?
How about pushing for better HC coverage at more affordable rates?
How about more accessible professional development so you don't end up with the 37yr old valet?

Sounds like communist market manipulation to me. :cautious:;)
 
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Animaniac93-98

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Agreed that we should keep this to Disneyland specifically, or else it spirals into all the macro-economic trends that our Globalist leaders from both parties have created over the last 30 years with organizations like the Chamber of Commerce advocating open borders and flooding our country with unskilled and uneducated workers that depressed wages nationwide, the mass shipping of our manufacturing base overseas to Communist countries where the peasants now make our refrigerators, tires, TV sets and pajamas for pennies per hour, etc., etc.

Don't forget automation and an education system that encourages putting students through expensive (and often useless) degree programs over skilled labour jobs like electricians, mechanics etc.
 

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