Kevin Yee's review of 'new' F-land ...

Kuhio

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TDS's Mermaid Lagoon has this weird 'Gaudi visits Disney'* look about it, which I find rather unappealing. A slightly upscale version of Universal's Dr. Seuss Landing. It creates a world that is too abstract to be the real world, but not charming enough to work as a cartoony area.

The Gaudi comparison is quite apt -- from the reliance on sinuous lines to the use of color... even little details, like the employment of broken ceramic tiles for some of the land's ancillary exterior trappings. The most specific reference would appear to be the Casa Batllo -- my favorite landmark in Barcelona -- which, even to the architecturally uninitiated, has a distinct aquatic demeanor.

Although the outside of Mermaid Lagoon is undeniably more abstract than a simple, literal translation of the animated movie's environments, I personally didn't find the effect overly distracting. Part of that is probably due to the fact that I give theming that is both aesthetically ambitious and executed at a very high level a "pass." For example, although I tend to be extremely picky about "off model" depictions in the parks, I'm more than OK with Dorothea Redmond's stunning tile murals in Cinderella Castle, despite the fact that many of the scenes and characters look nothing at all like their counterparts from the Disney movie.

The inside of Mermaid Lagoon is substantially less abstract and closer to the standard Disney themed adaptation of an animated environment, albeit finished quite well and with TDS's usual surfeit of detailing. There's actually a subtly thoughtful transition from exterior to interior (and from more abstract to less abstract) in the form of a depiction of King Triton that's more a statue than a standard theme-park static figure, but which is situated in a more cartoony space, akin to that of the land's interior areas.

I haven't seen FLE's Mermaid facade (or Belle's village) in person yet -- other than distant glimpses earlier in the month, from other parts of FL -- but from the photos I've seen, the structures and rockwork look to be among the best at WDW, and for that reason alone, are a welcome addition to the MK.

But as I've said elsewhere, the theming of external environments, ride structures, and queues can only take you so far. Part of the reason Cars Land works, beyond the attention to detail and utter fidelity to the Radiator Springs seen in the movie, is the fact that the gorgeous rockwork interacts with and is an organic part of a true E-ticket attraction that is rightfully the star of the DCA expansion. (Had Cars Land only included the modest Mater and Luigi rides and a meet-and-greet, it wouldn't be the subject of nearly as much adulation.)

Likewise, the fantastic centerpiece of TDS, Mysterious Island, is widely acclaimed in large part because it comprises two original, ambitious, and sophisticated attractions -- Journey to the Center of the Earth and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea -- that would, in and of themselves, be a strong argument for a visit to the park, even sans surrounding rockwork.

Beautifully realized landscapes and environments ought to go hand-in-hand with high-level rides and shows -- and what Disney has done elsewhere in its global empire, even very recently, demonstrates that it is still more than capable of delivering both components: the two should work together almost symbiotically in an ideal theme park. That FLE seems to have delivered the first part while faltering substantially with regard to the second is, in my view, cause for disappointment at missed opportunities and unfulfilled potential.
 

WDW1974

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WDW1974 is definitely a guy. I ain't ever seen womenfolk that roguishly handsome.
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Yeah, I am all that and so much more. Pure MAGIC!:)
 

WDW1974

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I'll up Yee and say that the MK's Mermaid area is more appealing, 'better quality', than TDS's Mermaid area. I know Yee compares general quality standards, and not any specific area, but a comparison between the two Mermaid areas is fun and enlightening.

TDS's Mermaid Lagoon has this weird 'Gaudi visits Disney'* look about it, which I find rather unappealing. A slightly upscale version of Universal's Dr. Seuss Landing. It creates a world that is too abstract to be the real world, but not charming enough to work as a cartoony area.

* This thread being infested with fanbois: that is Gaudi, the Catalan architect, not the girl in the pictures. ;)
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Crab off the shelf rides too:​
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Surely, the upcoming 7DMT will blow TDS Mermaid Lagoon's 'Flounder's Flying Fish Coaster' out of the water. (another pun! Where do I get them!)​
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I think you just enjoy stirring the pot, myself (not that there's anything wrong with that).

But while I agree with Kevin that the rockwork may represent a small taste of what TDS has (he actually didn't say small taste, he was more of a it's the same quality overall, which I disagree on just on substance), I don't agree with your comparison above.

You also sorta (not on purpose, I'm sure) leave out much of the details of the ML show building, which is huge (think old EPCOT pavilions big) and houses an E-Ticket caliber theater show, three kiddie attractions that are very well themed (and fit adults as well), a dining location and a kewl shop that is entered through the mouth of a whale (a ala Monstro in Storybookland at DL).

If you like the outside appearance of MK's new area over this, then that's fine and opinion. But Mermaid Lagoon, again the weakest part of TDS, happens to include a whole lot more than the pics above may lead people to believe. I know. Been there. Done that. Hope to again in 2013!
 

menamechris

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I saw the expansion last Saturday. It is beautiful. It is an amazing addition to the Magic Kingdom, and certainly sets the bar for any other expansions/additions to the Florida property. My one complaint? And one that is actually very hard to avoid - Being able to see The Contemporary and Space Mountain directly in front of you from Gaston's Tavern. It actually made my mouth drop. There is no way around it - or not seeing it. And it does an impressive job of breaking the theming and fantasy of the area. I suppose there is not much they can do about it though...
 

jdmdisney99

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I saw the expansion last Saturday. It is beautiful. It is an amazing addition to the Magic Kingdom, and certainly sets the bar for any other expansions/additions to the Florida property. My one complaint? And one that is actually very hard to avoid - Being able to see The Contemporary and Space Mountain directly in front of you from Gaston's Tavern. It actually made my mouth drop. There is no way around it - or not seeing it. And it does an impressive job of breaking the theming and fantasy of the area. I suppose there is not much they can do about it though...
The Mine Train might help.
 

menamechris

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Nope, that mountan is to the side...if you are facing away from Gaston's Tavern - toward Little Mermaid - the mountain for the Mine Train is to your right, Mermaid area to the left - and Space Mountain and Contemporary are straight ahead....
 

jdmdisney99

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Nope, that mountan is to the side...if you are facing away from Gaston's Tavern - toward Little Mermaid - the mountain for the Mine Train is to your right, Mermaid area to the left - and Space Mountain and Contemporary are straight ahead....
Ok. I guess there really wouldn't be anything you you could do.
 

WDW1974

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But as I've said elsewhere, the theming of external environments, ride structures, and queues can only take you so far. Part of the reason Cars Land works, beyond the attention to detail and utter fidelity to the Radiator Springs seen in the movie, is the fact that the gorgeous rockwork interacts with and is an organic part of a true E-ticket attraction that is rightfully the star of the DCA expansion. (Had Cars Land only included the modest Mater and Luigi rides and a meet-and-greet, it wouldn't be the subject of nearly as much adulation.)

Likewise, the fantastic centerpiece of TDS, Mysterious Island, is widely acclaimed in large part because it comprises two original, ambitious, and sophisticated attractions -- Journey to the Center of the Earth and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea -- that would, in and of themselves, be a strong argument for a visit to the park, even sans surrounding rockwork.

Beautifully realized landscapes and environments ought to go hand-in-hand with high-level rides and shows -- and what Disney has done elsewhere in its global empire, even very recently, demonstrates that it is still more than capable of delivering both components: the two should work together almost symbiotically in an ideal theme park. That FLE seems to have delivered the first part while faltering substantially with regard to the second is, in my view, cause for disappointment at missed opportunities and unfulfilled potential.

Yep. That's it exactly. Carsland works as a whole. It is a perfectly recreated environment. Standing on Route 66, you don't really have visual intrustions. Even looking up the main drag and seeing Grizzly Peak really works because anyone who has driven in California's desert's knows you suddenly see green mountains in the distance (the area near Mount Whitney is incredibly beautiful in this regard). We can even leave out watching a space shuttle pass overhead (as it did on my recent visit) since it doesn't happen every day, but they used to fly those in and out Edwards Air Force Base ... in the middle of nowhere/desert too!

And if Carsland works in its entirety, TDS is just a whole 'nother level. It's design and multi-levels and keen manipulation of the nearby Tokyo Bay is a work of genius.

Well, compared to all of that, this Fantasyland expansion is a mixed bag.You have one apparently very nice area in the Forest part, while having a tackier (somewhat improved?) version of Tentland in Storybook Circus.

What I go back to is the simple FACT that while nice enough (even with those visual intrusions, many that likely wouldn't exist if all the Hub trees weren't removed years ago) there isn't enough actually being added. NOT. ONE. E-TICKET.

So, while I can give kudos for style, I say for four years of work and $425 million, this is still woefully short on substance.
 
Yep. That's it exactly. Carsland works as a whole.

I would appreciate it if you could get your collective heads around the fact that "Carsland" is two words. Cars. Land. Cars Land. THANKs so much.

I don't think there's any question that the Fantasyland expansion lacks teeth at the moment. There's also no question that it's a beautiful, immersive area externally. Hopefully the addition of the Mine Train will fill the gap.

I haven't been out to California since Cars Land appeared. It's my understanding that Racers breaks down almost daily (if not daily) and shuts down whenever it rains, much like Test Track. Whatever that beach ball attraction is called is a low capacity disaster from what I understand. And whatever the other ride is doesn't appeal to me much at all.

If Cars Land had originally appeared in Florida, y'all bros would be harping on capacity problems, ride closures, etc. nonstop. But instead, you're praising it because it's in California and apparently ignore its substantial shortcomings.

In closing, this thread seems unnecessary.
 

bubbles1812

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And all of you need to stop asking for E-Tickets as well! It's annoying! :mad:


I think it's time we called the waaaambulance for you. The parks need new E tickets. MK hasn't had one in 20 years. I think it's fine that people would like to see a new one there, not to mention at the parks, most notably DAK and Epcot. Expect it to continue. So get over it.
 

J03Y

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Everyone's got a right to their opinion, and with all of the photos of FLE, I wouldn't begrudge somebody for posting their impressions.

opinions are nice, i have no problems with opinions. i even said that in the post. i didn't say it blatantly but it was there.

opinions are one thing. it's a completely different thing to not shut up about it. i have seen the same negative comments and complaining about the same things not only on this forum but plenty of others, including orlandounited.com. it's. getting. annoying. like there is a point where the whining becomes intolerable and your "opinions" just become an excuse to yap your mouth off about a certain topic. it's Chinese torture, and it needs to stop.
 

RandySavage

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Nope, that mountan is to the side...if you are facing away from Gaston's Tavern - toward Little Mermaid - the mountain for the Mine Train is to your right, Mermaid area to the left - and Space Mountain and Contemporary are straight ahead....

This stood out to me as well. I went to the site plan & model and drew some lines of sight on it. The trees that will be planted in the circled area, if they are big enough, could help quite a bit.
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On another note, I notice that the model shows loads of trees 'planted' on top of the rockwork-covered Dwarf building. Any ideas on how that will that work? Greenroofs? Fake trees?
 

menamechris

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This stood out to me as well. I went to the site plan & model and drew some lines of sight on it. The trees that will be planted in the circled area, if they are big enough, could help quite a bit.
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On another note, I notice that the model shows loads of trees 'planted' on top of the rockwork-covered Dwarf building. Any ideas on how that will that work? Greenroofs? Fake trees?

Very interesting. You are right - I think that large trees (which would actually need to be placed behind Storybook Circle in this instance) may help guests "not look" over at Space Mountain and Contemporary. To completely cover it would be impossible. What is pretty amazing is how from that vantage point - you see how close they really are.....
 

AEfx

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I would appreciate it if you could get your collective heads around the fact that "Carsland" is two words. Cars. Land. Cars Land. THANKs so much.

I think we'd all appreciate it if you would get over yourself and hold your attitude in check. Especially when you are ragging on someone who has far more insider information than you have presented, not to mention it's just poor taste and tacky to make a deal about minor things like a space in between words on the internet in general. THANKS so much!

I haven't been out to California since Cars Land appeared.

That pretty much says it all. Especially since just about every avenue declares it a roaring success. Aside from you, who has never been there.

If Cars Land had originally appeared in Florida, y'all bros would be harping on capacity problems, ride closures, etc. nonstop. But instead, you're praising it because it's in California and apparently ignore its substantial shortcomings.

Since we are giving helpful hints, here is one: how about you don't try to make brash generalizations of posters to a message board you are a brand new member at - haven't even been a week here and already making yourself look quite foolish.

In closing, this thread seems unnecessary.

In closing, you didn't have to open it.

Have a magical day!
 

cynic710

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satisfaction is knowing the company can pull off all our expectations including future e-tickets, lands, etc. frustration is knowing that its not happening quick enough. but really, how excited are we that there are new things to look at and experience? i know im excited for the FLE, dispite my desire for a new e-ticket.

hopefully the mine-train will help, and the future of DHS and all the pixar happenings there. but nonetheless, we can all agree we still love going there. for the moment lets just enjoy a new land.
 

Atomicmickey

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This stood out to me as well. I went to the site plan & model and drew some lines of sight on it. The trees that will be planted in the circled area, if they are big enough, could help quite a bit.
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On another note, I notice that the model shows loads of trees 'planted' on top of the rockwork-covered Dwarf building. Any ideas on how that will that work? Greenroofs? Fake trees?

Where'd you get that site plan graphic from? Hadn't seen that one before.
 

cheezbat

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Very interesting. You are right - I think that large trees (which would actually need to be placed behind Storybook Circle in this instance) may help guests "not look" over at Space Mountain and Contemporary. To completely cover it would be impossible. What is pretty amazing is how from that vantage point - you see how close they really are.....

I think they could solve that visual intrusion relatively easily: demo the Speedway and build a new E-ticket mountain in its place. BAM! Space Mountain is blocked, Contemporary is blocked! :)
 

cheezbat

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I would appreciate it if you could get your collective heads around the fact that "Carsland" is two words. Cars. Land. Cars Land. THANKs so much.

I don't think there's any question that the Fantasyland expansion lacks teeth at the moment. There's also no question that it's a beautiful, immersive area externally. Hopefully the addition of the Mine Train will fill the gap.

I haven't been out to California since Cars Land appeared. It's my understanding that Racers breaks down almost daily (if not daily) and shuts down whenever it rains, much like Test Track. Whatever that beach ball attraction is called is a low capacity disaster from what I understand. And whatever the other ride is doesn't appeal to me much at all.

If Cars Land had originally appeared in Florida, y'all bros would be harping on capacity problems, ride closures, etc. nonstop. But instead, you're praising it because it's in California and apparently ignore its substantial shortcomings.

In closing, this thread seems unnecessary.

Having visited both, I can honestly say I'd take Cars Land(happy? I separated it!) over FLE any day. What they've done with the FLE is very nice, yet missing the meat an expansion of this size should have.

With the Florida weather I'm sure there will be times I'd be annoyed with RSR...being closed often due to rain. We deal with that often with Test Track too. You get used to it in Florida...and you learn to check the weather in advance and hit up rides like that first thing in the morning to guarantee you get on!
 

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