They come close during Easter and Christmas time, when the MK is open until 1am or 3am....
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Kevin Yee- Parks close one day a week?
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They come close during Easter and Christmas time, when the MK is open until 1am or 3am....
RiversideBunny
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wdwfan100
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Actually yes, I do know what a recession is. In spite of the margins being small, they are still positive. You could play a mathematic game with just about anything. That does not mean they are wrong. So, no we are not in a recession. Is the economy the most robust it has ever been? No. I have said that plenty of times in my prior posts. So please don't imply that I am some idiot with my head in the sand for actually stating what is true. GDP growth, slight or not, no recession. I am sorry if this is unpopular with you. It seems like people want us to be in a recession, just so they can complain about the economy. I for one hope we can avoid one. It may come, in fact it probably will. I am not trying to get it here ahead of time though. If and when it is here rest assured I will say it is. I will not deny the numbers and say we are only in a recession by the slightest of margins, so we are not really in one.
bjlc57
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its fuzzy math..
what is happening is that we have "escaped" the recession by the tightest of margins. then what will happen is that the Government will "go back and recalculate" the figures at a later date and then realize, Yes we Were/ are in recession. or like I said change the way its calculated to show that we are "not in recession" by the new way of calculation, but we would be had we stayed with the "old way" of calculation.
This has been going on in Washington for years. you don't like the figures, change the way its calculated to bend the figures in your favor.
trust me.
housing starts WAY DOWN. Dollar at an all time low.. or close to it. Oil at record high prices. Dow at a year low. food and food costs very high and rising.
that's recession.
unless you are looking through glasses that only see what you WANT THEM TO SEE. i.e. the one third of the country that believes that someone's job preformance is still acceptable.
what is happening is that we have "escaped" the recession by the tightest of margins. then what will happen is that the Government will "go back and recalculate" the figures at a later date and then realize, Yes we Were/ are in recession. or like I said change the way its calculated to show that we are "not in recession" by the new way of calculation, but we would be had we stayed with the "old way" of calculation.
This has been going on in Washington for years. you don't like the figures, change the way its calculated to bend the figures in your favor.
trust me.
housing starts WAY DOWN. Dollar at an all time low.. or close to it. Oil at record high prices. Dow at a year low. food and food costs very high and rising.
that's recession.
unless you are looking through glasses that only see what you WANT THEM TO SEE. i.e. the one third of the country that believes that someone's job preformance is still acceptable.
Of course we know of the contingency plans. This isn`t one of them.
BTW, you havn`t escaped. Middle East just reports they expect oil to hit $250 a barrel this year.
I don't see how they would HAVE to reduce the prices of the dining plan or park hopper. Closing ONE park only ONE DAY per week would only be inconvenient. If the public are as -retentive as some of the people here who plan every minute of their trip (and I mean that in a nice way :kiss
, then it shouldn't be a problem. If they allowed park-hopping for free, they are only reducing their extra revenue, since they are not increasing their expenditures because park hoppers don't actually cost the company any money. In fact, they aren't losing anything if they allow free hopping...no matter which park people are in it is still a Disney property and they will still get your money (which is why Six Flags allows season pass holders to go to any Six Flags park for free...and this year they allow them to bring a guest for free). The admission is nothing compared to the in-park spending.Doubt it. The park hoppers are practically pure profit...essentiall all it does is redistribute crowds across the property...the only added expense is the tranist from park to park. So eliminating them would serve little purpose. People are not going to pay full price for two parks in one day...they'll just stick to one park per day. As for eliminating the dining plan, I personally don't know anyone who goes to Disney because of the Dining Plan, nor anyone who would cancel their trip because they can't get all their meals on a plan. So I doubt its elimination would cause anyone to go anywhere. People go to Disney because it is Disney...not because they can go to more than one park in a day and pre-pay all their meals. They aren't going to go to Universal because Disney isn't offering the dining plan, that's ridiculous.
Closing one park one day per week is not a 50% reduction in experience. As I said above, it just means people will have to plan a little differently. And since everything is overpriced as it is, a small reduction in the hopper price wouldn't be out of the question, if they so choose. Disney is under no obligation to operate their parks with two fireworks shows per day at each park, or two parades per day, or late hours. They aren't obligated to have all their parks open every day of the year. They do because that's what they want to offer. It might slightly reduce attendance, but attendance will already be so drastically reduced that its impact would be negligible. People aren't going to be running to Universal because Disney is offering only one parade a day. That's ludicrous.
Oh please. While it would generate an increase in complaints and some bad press, most people aren't going to care. People who have never been to Disney will still be getting the Disney experience, they just have to plan to not go to whichever park is closed on whatever day it is closed. A reduction in parades and fireworks is not going to destroy the company.
DisneyCane
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Here is something I don't understand. Let's say a family was planning a road trip of 1000 miles (2000 miles round trip). In this example we assume that the family had no problem planning this trip at $3.00 a gallon gas. Now gas is $4.00+. Even if this family is driving an Excursion getting 16 MPG (a pretty much worst case) so they will use 125 gallons to make the trip. So with these new "alarming" gas prices the trip will cost and additional $125-$150 and that is with a huge gas guzzler. For most people with most vehicles it will be less. Why would somebody not take the trip where they are going to spend hundreds of dollars on admission tickets, hundreds of dollars on lodging and hundreds of dollars on food when the trip now costs $100 more. If your household budget is that tight that you can't afford $100, you shouldn't have been planning the trip at $2.00 or $3.00 per gallon gas.
Please come down off the ledge. Have I missed the news stories about all the families in the US that can't afford to eat? We don't have an economic, food or energy CRISIS. We have an economic slowdown (which happens every few hears), some food price increases (so eat spaghetti instead of filet mignon) and energy cost increases.
Get a grip. The doom and gloom people cause more problems than there are. The economy is certainly not booming but the vast majority of americans have the same job and are getting paid the same or more than they were last year. 99.9% of houses are NOT in foreclosure. Gas prices are very high but food prices aren't THAT high.
You can't redefine a recession just to say we are in one because you want it to be true. All the doom and gloom does is make the economy worse because people start feeling like they are going to lose their job and house at any moment when, in fact, 90% of people have nothing to worry about and can continue living the same lifestyle that they already do.
Even assuming all of your statements are true, THAT IS NOT RECESSION. Recession is when the GDP growth is negative for two consecutive quarters. It has nothing to do with any of the things you say there. At least one of those statements is not true. The Dow is not at a year low. The year low was on Monday, March 10th whe it hit 11,740.
Nobody is saying everything with the economy is perfect but doom and gloomers make me feel like jumping off of the spires of Cinderella Castle.
This is a common "not looking at the big picture" error. The thing that will keep people from vacationing is not the extra $100 it will cost them in gas to drive there, it is the extra $200, $300, $400+ that they are having to spend every month on gas. Most families are lucky to put away a few hundred dollars a month for things like vacations and when that few hundred extra dollars is now having to be spent on gas cuts are going to have to be made.
DisneyCane
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You have a point there. But....
The average car is driven 15,000 miles a year. Let's just swag 20 MPG (which is probably low) for avg fuel economy. The average car will then need 750 gallons of fuel per year. Gas was hoving around $3 a gallon and now it is $4. So, for this average example it is costing an extra $750 a year in gas for the car ($62.50 a month, certainly not $200, $300, $400 per month). I would think this can be offset by eating in more and things like that so that you can still save for a vacation. For most people that drive slightly more efficient cars the impact is a little less.
I'm not saying it is chump change but it isn't like the gas price increase has added another rent/mortgage payment to the family budget. Also, you can save that amount by staying in a hotel/motel that is 1 level below where you normally would. You can easily save several hundred on a week vacation that way.
Exactly what I was thinking. Disneyland never used to be open 365 days/year. I doubt it will happen at WDW, but if things get really bad, it's not a completely out-of-this-world idea.
I doubt it would make the other 3-parks all that crowded considering they would only close a park when crowds are quiet. It's not like they're going to close a park the week between Christmas and New Years or in mid-July. But if attendance drops significantly, what is so extreme in thinking they would considering closing AK on a Tues, and DHS on a Weds in mid-January? (again emphasizing that things would have to be really bad).
The the thing is just 2 years ago we were paying $2 a gallon. Which would double you figure, use 2 cars per family and we have to double it again. When I look back at what my family was spending on gas a little over 2 years ago it is around $200 less than I paid last month.
Also depending on what business you are in wages have not increased at all in a good while. I am an wood truss engineer working in primarily in residential construction and we have not had raises, overtime or bonuses in two years and we just received a 10% pay cut. When I figured out my projected income for 2008 I will make less than I did in 2002, And I am one of the lucky ones. I know quite a few people that had to start over again in new careers.
wdwfan100
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Exactly!!!:sohappy::sohappy:
Timmay
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You are overlooking the fact that it is not just the extra price of fuel. Because the price of fuel is rising, that means that other things that require fuel to get to you (meaning everything) is costing more, too. I went to the grocery store yesterday and bought exactly the same items I did 4 weeks ago...it was $22 more. It is far more complicated than you make it out to be.
themarchhare
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Somebody's been watching "Chicken Little" a few too many times...:zipit:
People here need to stay in school and take some economics classes :brick: or at least check http://money.cnn.com/?cnn=yes regularly.
culturenthrills
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If you think Disney doesn't have some contingency plans in place in case of a major economic downturn than who is the idiot. According to various sources(not just Kevin Yee's article) after what happened Sept. 11th they now have various plans in place in case of a major downturn. One of those may include shutting some of the parks down once a week.
Also, it must be nice for those of you who think we are not in an economic downturn. Also, if you think the Bush administration is not cooking the number s then you are the idiot. Everyone I know has cutback their plans for this year and that cover people of all economic spectrum's. The price of oil has not just cost me more money for gas but have you checked your food prices at the grocery store. Restaurants are closing or layoff staff all over the place because people have cut out eating out to save money. Airfare has pretty much doubled in the last 2 years. Carriers have reduced the number of flights to Orlando by 20%. The weak dollar has helped the international tourists but that may dry up as airfares have shot up and high oil prices are starting to effect the economy in Europe. If gas were to reach $5-$6 a gallon imagine what that will do to the economy.
Also, it must be nice for those of you who think we are not in an economic downturn. Also, if you think the Bush administration is not cooking the number s then you are the idiot. Everyone I know has cutback their plans for this year and that cover people of all economic spectrum's. The price of oil has not just cost me more money for gas but have you checked your food prices at the grocery store. Restaurants are closing or layoff staff all over the place because people have cut out eating out to save money. Airfare has pretty much doubled in the last 2 years. Carriers have reduced the number of flights to Orlando by 20%. The weak dollar has helped the international tourists but that may dry up as airfares have shot up and high oil prices are starting to effect the economy in Europe. If gas were to reach $5-$6 a gallon imagine what that will do to the economy.
bjlc57
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it's easy to justify a non recession economy...
it's really easy to say that the economy isn't in recession.. especially if you don't pay your own bills. when Daddy is paying the bills, the economy is never in recession.
but if you buy your own gas, and see that gas that was selling below $2 a gallon and now sells for above $4 per gallon and say there is no recession, well isn't that much of a stretch?
or that the price of flour has quadrupled this year. but gees what's a measly bag of flour have to do with anything. all it makes is bread, and cake and noodles, pasta, and what not. hardly something important. just the food of life..
or that the price of corn is at an all time high.. and that people are now stealing corn from Silos using 18 wheelers because the price is so high..
But come on what's corn good for? hardly anyything.. with the exception that if its not made out of flour its made out of corn.
but that has no effect on the economy. Zero.
CNBC today said that the dow was at either a quarter low, or from January to now, LOW.
but of course, that means next to nothing.
and it doesn't as long as Daddy is paying the bills.
but when your house payment is between $700- $1200 per month.. that extra $200 per month for gas is nothing.
or that extra $100 for food.
but add that $300 PER MONTH extra.. plus your house payment, and the increase in Heat and electric because those too are gas and oil dependent. not counting your other bills.
yep.. no recession here.
everyone who really believes that STAND ON YOUR HEAD.
it's really easy to say that the economy isn't in recession.. especially if you don't pay your own bills. when Daddy is paying the bills, the economy is never in recession.
but if you buy your own gas, and see that gas that was selling below $2 a gallon and now sells for above $4 per gallon and say there is no recession, well isn't that much of a stretch?
or that the price of flour has quadrupled this year. but gees what's a measly bag of flour have to do with anything. all it makes is bread, and cake and noodles, pasta, and what not. hardly something important. just the food of life..
or that the price of corn is at an all time high.. and that people are now stealing corn from Silos using 18 wheelers because the price is so high..
But come on what's corn good for? hardly anyything.. with the exception that if its not made out of flour its made out of corn.
but that has no effect on the economy. Zero.
CNBC today said that the dow was at either a quarter low, or from January to now, LOW.
but of course, that means next to nothing.
and it doesn't as long as Daddy is paying the bills.
but when your house payment is between $700- $1200 per month.. that extra $200 per month for gas is nothing.
or that extra $100 for food.
but add that $300 PER MONTH extra.. plus your house payment, and the increase in Heat and electric because those too are gas and oil dependent. not counting your other bills.
yep.. no recession here.
everyone who really believes that STAND ON YOUR HEAD.
wdwfan100
Active Member
CNN? No they are to agenda driven. How about going to these sites. Then we can use the economics classes we took and get the numbers first hand.
The Federal Reserve - http://www.federalreserve.gov/
The Dept of Labor - http://www.dol.gov/
U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis - http://www.bea.gov/