Just Saw Incredibles....Why not Pixar anymore?

[HennieBogan1966]

My Wife and I just saw The Incredibles last night, and it was GREAT!!!!! The quality of not only the animation, (no matter the type of animation), as well as the story itself, were just amazing. So it naturally begs the question.

Why in the world did Disney choose to forego its relationship with Pixar Animation? Even if they asked for a Billion dollar contract, Disney stands to make much more than that in movie sales, merchandise sales, etc. I mean, The Incredibles just made 145 Million last week alone. That's more than 10% of 1 Bill, so what's the REAL issue here?

Questions, Comments?

 

[speck76]

There is a forum for Movie discussion.....this one is for park discussion.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

There is a forum for Movie discussion.....this one is for park discussion.

Is there a forum for tolerance and manners?

 

[ACE]

Is there a forum for tolerance and manners?

Exactly what I was thinking.

:wave: ACE

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Did I say something wrong?

Did I say something wrong? I thought that I posted this in the correct location. However, I must warn you all that Speck and I have had our differences in the past, and maybe you were referring to those comments made by Speck. Thought we were past those issues, but maybe not from his perspective.

Anyway, my thoughts were more of a GENERAL nature, and not specific. It regards the thought process behind which Disney decided to sever their ties with Pixar Animation. I mean, I truly believe in the products that they have produced for Disney, and the box office numbers, as well as merchandise sales, I believe would bear out that this relationship has been VERY successful for both parties. So was this more about egos or was there something else at the heart of the split?

 

[speck76]

I am just trying to help out.....calm down.

This forum is title "WDW Parks General Discussion".....nowhere in your original post was any subject releated to WDW or Parks.

Another Forum exists for Movies.....if you want people to participate in your thread, it is my suggestion that you post your thread there.

Also, if you had gone to that forum, you would see a number of threads already related to this subject.

As for us having our differences in the past......don't dwell....I don't.

 

[speck76]

Is there a forum for tolerance and manners?

I don't know.....is there?

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Lighten up my friend. Again, if I have misposted here, then the site admin. can move it to another area. No big deal to me at all. Just wondering why we even have to mention it. Just make your comments about the subject matter, or don't. But there's NO reason for you to nitpick. Feel free to comment on the SUBJECT MATTER or don't. But don't steer off-topic because you have an ISSUE.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

I don't know.....is there?

I think your post confirms that.

 

[speck76]

Lighten up my friend. Again, if I have misposted here, then the site admin. can move it to another area. No big deal to me at all. Just wondering why we even have to mention it. Just make your comments about the subject matter, or don't. But there's NO reason for you to nitpick. Feel free to comment on the SUBJECT MATTER or don't. But don't steer off-topic because you have an ISSUE.

I have an issue? The only issue is that you did not take the time to post this thread in the correct forum......I guess I don't see any purpose for rolling over and accepting that, I guess the same way you and Sak have no tolerance for my lack of tolerance.

So, a post on the subject matter.

Pixar has been able to consistantly create a great product. They are now a publicly traded company, and really, the only ability they lack is the ability to distribute their movies.

When the original Pixar agreement was signed, this was not the case. Pixar had never created a feature-length movie, was not publicly traded, and did not have the resources to "go it alone".

As Pixar has grown, their need for WDC has become less and less. The no longer need financial backing, they no longer need WDC to help them get actors for the speaking roles.....and Pixar knows this. Pixar already has departments in place for consumer marketing and retail....something that WDC has handled in the past. (and WDC has recieved the majority of the profits from these departments)

That being said, having a big-name distributor is key for a small studio such as Pixar. That's because the major studios have the distribution leverage that lets them get more and better screens for all of their movies. Even filmmakers like George Lucas basically use this "rent a studio" approach, as it would be inefficient to create a movie distribution and marketing apparatus just to release one movie every 18 months or so.

On the other hand....WDC has been operating since the first Pixar movie in a way that allows them to recieve the lion's share of the profits from the Pixar films. Inder the new agreement that Steve Jobs in pushing, WDC would only get a small percentage of the profits....WDC would be considered a "distributor".......Why would WDC want to use their vast reach into the studio world to "help" Pixar, when the reward is not that great. If anything, they would be doing their own films a disservice.

 

[imagineer boy]

Now people, can't we all just... get along?

 

[HennieBogan1966]

So Pumbas

What do you think about the whole Pixar thing? Have you seen the movie yet? As well as the other Pixar movies? I'm thinking that this is the goose that layed the golden egg for Disney, and they are foolish to walk away. As well, we saw the trailer for CARS due out next year, and it looks very good as well. And we're huge NASCAR fans, and let me tell you from what we saw in the trailer, it looks very good.

Anyway, your thoughts?

 

[speck76]

Now people, can't we all just... get along?

What fun would that be?

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Again Speck

First, I'm wondering why you can't help but take cheap shots at me, but so be it. I guess some people need to reaffirm themselves that way. Whatever the case, allow me to elaborate further on your comments.

While I agree with some of what you said regarding Pixar, this is a win-win if they stay together. Let me explain why. One question: How long has Disney been selling merchandise from Toy Story and Toy Story II? Wonder how much $$$ has been made there. I'm guessing more than enough to fill the coffers time and time again. Again, it's about character, integrity and good leadership. So what if Disney gets a smaller cut at the gate. Who cares. Let's see, 10% of 350 MILLION is 35 million. Hmmm, not bad for ONE picture. If you could do that 2/3 times a year, I'm guessing that's pretty good business. Especially when you consider that you're going to probably double or triple that number in merchandise sales from those same movies.

So, while your comment MAY make sense to you regarding Disney getting a smaller piece of the pie, I believe you MUST examine the BIG PICTURE before coming to that singular conclusion.

 

[speck76]

First, I'm wondering why you can't help but take cheap shots at me, but so be it. I guess some people need to reaffirm themselves that way. Whatever the case, allow me to elaborate further on your comments.

While I agree with some of what you said regarding Pixar, this is a win-win if they stay together. Let me explain why. One question: How long has Disney been selling merchandise from Toy Story and Toy Story II? Wonder how much $$$ has been made there. I'm guessing more than enough to fill the coffers time and time again. Again, it's about character, integrity and good leadership. So what if Disney gets a smaller cut at the gate. Who cares. Let's see, 10% of 350 MILLION is 35 million. Hmmm, not bad for ONE picture. If you could do that 2/3 times a year, I'm guessing that's pretty good business. Especially when you consider that you're going to probably double or triple that number in merchandise sales from those same movies.

So, while your comment MAY make sense to you regarding Disney getting a smaller piece of the pie, I believe you MUST examine the BIG PICTURE before coming to that singular conclusion.

Where is the cheap shot.....my comments were not for any negative purpose, just to inform you (since I have never seen you post in the movie forum) that it does exist.

Part of what Steve Jobs wants is the rights back to all existing Pixar films, merchandising and all. By doing this, WDC would be giving up the millions that they currently make on selling this product.

Also, if WDC does not distribute the films (and make $35 million) would they potentially make more on their own films, as they would be more accessible than the Pixar films?

 

[imagineer boy]

Oh dear.... *puts on un-flamable suit and ducks behind baracades*

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Please resist the urge Speck

I know that you have an urge that is uncontrollable, but please try to resist it Speck.

Now, Disney has more than enough bargaining power to negotiate rights on merchandising fees. If Disney designs, produces, and distributes that merchandise, that power is all theirs. As you stated, Pixar, in relation is a small studio as compared to Disney. That being the case, I'm sure that they aren't YET able to produce merchandise on the levels that Disney can. That being said, your comments on merchandising rights don't hold water.

Now, let's move on. Any other comments from ANYONE else?

 

[longfamily]

Here's my conspiracy theory:

Pixar worked with Disney for a time and I'm willing to bet that Disney had their own people working side by side with Pixar on projects. Once negotiations went sour, Pixar, thinking that they didn't exactly NEED Disney any longer has decided to walk away. However, Disney has gained knowledge in the course of it's relationship with Pixar on how to create quality digital animation. That is why there is currently a studio being built in Glendale as we speak. Pixar will lose the rights to the first few films created in partnership with Disney because by contract they belong to Disney from the outset. Disney and Pixar will become competitors in the future and unless Pixar forges a relationship with another heavyweight, they will eventually go the way of the Dodo. Disney will take the technology that they have learned from Pixar, use it and improve it. It has been done before...

 

[ACE]

I know that you have an urge that is uncontrollable, but please try to resist it Speck.

Now, Disney has more than enough bargaining power to negotiate rights on merchandising fees. If Disney designs, produces, and distributes that merchandise, that power is all theirs. As you stated, Pixar, in relation is a small studio as compared to Disney. That being the case, I'm sure that they aren't YET able to produce merchandise on the levels that Disney can. That being said, your comments on merchandising rights don't hold water.

Now, let's move on. Any other comments from ANYONE else?

First off, you guys need to stop arguing. Let it go.

Believe me, Pixar will not have trouble finding a company to design, produce, and distribute their merchandise. They have a proven track record now. Pixar has produced hit movie after hit movie. Their success as of late is better than Disney's. So I don't think they really need Disney anymore. I mean if Todd MacFarlane can get a toy company to produce stuff based on his comic book character (Spawn) then Pixar shouldn't have any problem.

Just my opinion.

:wave: ACE

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

This is only my opinion of course, but I tend to think that Disney animation traditions has a greater influence on Pixar than it does on the Eisner generation animators. The Pixar studios movies have characters that would have made walt proud. Modern Disney characters are merchandising oppertunities.