Just Saw Incredibles....Why not Pixar anymore?

[WDWScottieBoy]

Awesome! Star the fire. Does anyone know some camp songs?

Kumbayah (don't ask me how to spell it correctly though)

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

what?

us who?

There was absolutely no reason to attack Speck for his comment. There was a good reason for it. If you post in the correct place, you will probably get more replies from others interested in the same topic. Simple logic -- for most.

That’s funny what techniques do you experts use to tell a comment from an attack? Or is it attack if someone questions the post of PM.

In the years I have been using this board nothing rankles more than a long term poster hammering someone for posting a thread in the wrong area its not the end of the world people, or are you all frustrated wannabe moderators?

 

[wannab@dis]

Throw in some choc and graham crackers and I'm game!

:slurp: sounds good!

 

[imagineer boy]

Kumbayah (don't ask me how to spell it correctly though)

*sings* Somones posting my lord, Kumbayah!

Someone's posting my lord, Kumbayah!

Someone's posting my lord, Kumbayah!

Oh loooord, Kumbayah!

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Okay people

Allow me to humbly apologize to all of you perfectionists out there who DEMAND that threads be posted correctly each and every time. I'm sure that NONE OF YOU ever make mistakes. I, for one, will admit to being a fallible human being. Now, no one has attacked anyone. But what seems to happen on these boards, is that if you disagree with someone, especially the majority, you are said to be attacking someone. Last I checked, we all have a right to our own INDIVIDUAL opinions. Now some of you out there may be used to running with the crowd (if you read between the lines of that comment, you'll now what I am referring to), and therefore, not used to someone having an opinion differing from your own. But I can assure all of you out there, that we are here too. So, lighten up and let's discuss the topic at hand.

Now, as far as a comment that was made regarding the merchandising of product that Disney would produce and sell. Disney certainly has the power to negotiate the merchandising rights with any company. IF that company doesn't want to compromise, then sure, I can understand why Disney WOULD walk away. But, I just don't see why people can't agree that together they are stronger, than apart. Wasn't that the whole mantra of the unions in their negotiations these past 8 months? We're stronger together than apart? Well, if that's the case there, why isn't it the same here? I mean, Pixar clearly knows what they are doing? And Disney clearly knows how to bring products to market. So, is it just about ego? Or is there more to the story?

Where does Michael Eisner figure in all of this? Or does he?

 

[Gail Hayden]

As ISTC said while on thread topic, Pixar in fact is having difficulty finding another partner. Jobs is as usual full of himself and most major players are hessitant to get involved.

With the Disney deal, Disney IMO did the right thing in walking away. Jobs was being rediculous in demanding everything. He wanted all rights to characters from the existing movies as well as full control of future films and characters. Disney probably would have gone with giving them rights to future characters...although Pixar probably couldn't market them with anywhere near the success.

Its just the case of two talented but stubborn people who are willing to sacrifice very good profits just to stick it to the other and possibly get all the profits. Kind of like the off topic discussion in this thread.

Jobs is notorious at sticking it to others.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Jobs is notorious at sticking it to others.

Does he use scotch tape or adhesive?

 

[no2apprentice]

On the street where I grew up, a neighbor who was a retired 30-year navy man, taught me some songs, but I hesitate to post them here.

I was slightly concerned when Jobs got on board with Pixar. I believe that if it wasn't for Jobs' greed, pride, and ego, Apple would have the majority of the market share, instead of PC's.

To me, the heart of Pixar is John Lasseter. To some extent, he reminds me of Walt. He knows animation, but he also has the ability to inspire people to see what is entertaining, and what is not.

Jobs knows computers, but he doesn't know business (in my opinion).

And as far as Disney animation working side by side with Pixar, from what some members have posted, Pixar is Pixar - the creativity and talent is all theirs.

 

[HennieBogan1966]

So No,

Don't you think that it would be in everyones' best interest then to maintain this relationship?

 

[Legacy]

Don't you think that it would be in everyones' best interest then to maintain this relationship?

But business isn't about everybody's best interest; It's about YOUR best interest. It's in Disney's best interest to maintain the relationship yes, but it's in Pixar's best interest (financially) to keep the rights to its characters. Unless Disney gives that up (which won't happen with Eisner at the helm), Pixar will sit in limbo waiting for someone to give them an offer they like.

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Which is why if there were a return to the roots of the company, the creativity of animators and imagineers who develop storylines and characters that are their own, this point would be moot. Doesn't anyone see that connection?

 

[tigsmom]

I myself didn't see anything wrong with what Speck posted. He was just pointing out that fact that this section is for parks. I know that tone can be misread on a forum... perhaps that's the case here. I don't think he should be attacked for it. :wave:

I agree. Can we please all act like the adult we claim to be?

 

[Legacy]

Which is why if there were a return to the roots of the company, the creativity of animators and imagineers who develop storylines and characters that are their own, this point would be moot. Doesn't anyone see that connection?

But Pixar has nothing to do with that. Pixar is a completely seperate entity that used Disney to distribute its films. If Pixar stays with Disney, Pixar will still be seperate from Disney. It's not a situation where Pixar helps enhance Disney.

The problems with Disney's recent outputs doesn't lie in its creativity, it lies in the management. Pixar being with Disney, or being out on their own isn't going to change that.

 

[HennieBogan1966]

I agree completely with the idea that this and many other things, have been mis-managed, but the talent of Pixar is what I am referring specifically here. If you come to an agreement with Pixar to provide the technology, with Disney providing storylines, and characters, doesn't that seem to be the best idea?

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

I think that many of Disneys recent efforts have been short on plot, character, music and over all feel good appeal.

Funny thing is many of the films that have been slammed i liked, Treasure Planert being the main one a true undiscovered Disney gem

 

[speck76]

I agree completely with the idea that this and many other things, have been mis-managed, but the talent of Pixar is what I am referring specifically here. If you come to an agreement with Pixar to provide the technology, with Disney providing storylines, and characters, doesn't that seem to be the best idea?

Pixar creates their own stories and characters now....why do they need Disney?

 

[speck76]

Funny thing is many of the films that have been slammed i liked, Treasure Planert being the main one a true undiscovered Disney gem

I could not agree more.....VERY underrated film.

 

[tigsmom]

I think that many of Disneys recent efforts have been short on plot, character, music and over all feel good appeal. ...

I have agree with you on this point. I am hoping that when Mr. Eisner's replacement is finally announced that Pixar will find them acceptable and re open talks. They are a fine company with a proven track record. *crosses fingers* :wave:

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Funny thing is many of the films that have been slammed i liked, Treasure Planert being the main one a true undiscovered Disney gem

Just noticed my original post and would like to reassure that I was talking about TREASURE PLANET, not some cheap pirate copy :veryconfu

 

[tigsmom]

Just noticed my original post and would like to reassure that I was talking about TREASURE PLANET, not some cheap pirate copy :veryconfu

:lol: Missed that. I have to say that it was one film I had no desire to see. Many people who saw it loved it so I don't know why it wasn't more successful.