Just got to wdw..what's up with all the scooter's

[JimW]

You have formatting errors.

In fact, they are so bad that quoting your entire post is impossible.

Yeah, total backfire there. My bad.

 

[scarr13311]

ARE YOU REALLY GETTING UPSET AT AN ANONYMOUS INTERNET POSTER?? I HAVE ENCOUNTERED THESE POSTERS AND IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME ONE BIT!![/QU

No I am not or was upset when I wrote my comment. just because I used caps on some of my response does not mean I was angry I did it to stand out. I read the forums all the time and enjoy reading peoples comments. Does not bother me one bit, glad it doesn't bother you either I think????? Have a magical day!!!

 

[ninjaprincesst]

Okay, lets analyze this a little further. So just how is a little girl running over my foot with a scooter and causing me pain all day jumping to conclusions? So she had some kind of right to do this because she may have been helping Grandpa? May you enjoy the same event some day and see how much you like it then. Be sure to walk around the next few days with a sore foot during your high $$$ trip to Disney because of someone else's carelessness.

I have no issue with those needing scooters using them. But if they do not act responsibly, then they become a hazard to others and should be policed accordingly...handicapped or otherwise.

I have been run over twice, broke my foot both times once because somene was desperate to get in front of me in line. Its a little girl, she is just a little girl,not being careless just a mere child, and both times with a foot that was broken, I went on and enjoyed my trip and kept walking, so don't even try to go there with me.

 

[ninjaprincesst]

I don't know why we all can't be thankful that God has blessed us with the ability to walk around the parks without mobility assistance and have some empathy for those that have to have assistance,whatever the reason. Yes, there are those that are going to take advantage, but those people are the minority. I have had my foot broken twice by scooters, but I got over it, I look at my Dad (he has a metal rod up three fourths of his back and a prosthetic leg), and am thankful Disney allows scooters so he can still enjoy Disney, yes he can still walk but not for long distances ,so this is the only way he can do it.

 

[21stamps]

well if some people believe that scooters should be banned from the parks, then they should ban strollers. I can't keep count of how many times the back of my legs, have been hit with them; and parents think because they have a stroller that you are supposed to move for them as if they are above everyone else. Or how about banning kids from the parks so we don't have to listen to there screaming and crying. Really you are going to let someone in a scooter, or a stroller or screaming kid ruin your trip?? I have encountered all of these situations and doesn't bother me!! IS THIS PERSON MORE UPSET OF THE SCOOTERS OR THAT THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR WAY AND DIDN'T GET THE ROOM REQUEST THEY WANTED, AND IS COMPLAINING ABOUT HAVING TO WALK A DISTANCE, SO THEY ARE TAKING IT OUT ON THE HANDICAPPED? BE GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL YOU HAVE YOUR HEALTH, I WOULD BE CURIOUS HOW YOU WOULD REACT IF YOU HAD TO USE A SCOOTER AND PEOPLE WHERE TREATING YOU THE WAY YOU ARE JUDGING. You know just because a person in a scooter may not look handicapped doesn't mean they are perfectly healthy, they may need that scooter more than you think.

This is only referring to overweight people, without any actual disability, using scooters-

Stroller- is for a child with small legs, unable to walk over 15 miles plus per day without passing out on a sidewalk. Said child did not choose to have small legs, they are just small children.

A stroller is a need. A scooter, in the specific case of obesity only, is laziness. I think that's what people have a problem with...Anywhere, not just WDW.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I remember seeing someone on a scooter and thinking, gee, that looks like the stereotypical person we all hear about - riding a scooter because they're overweight.

As they drove by, I noticed the back of their leg was clearly deformed.

Lesson learned, not every disability is immediately visible, or visible at all.

It certainly feels like the use of scooters at WDW is excessive, but unless we survey people it's pure speculation.

In a perfect world, disability supports would only be used by those who truly need them. Proof of disability is not required to rent a scooter or access the disability passes, which always seems like a negative to me - weeding out the fakers would make things better for those who need those supports.

Regardless, I have no control over the issue so it's one of those things I don't worry about.

 

[arielsgrotto]

Just to give my two cents that no one asked for.
I get the human reflex to roll your eyes and scoff at someone who doesn't seem to "need" accommodations and just write them off as lazy. I get it all the time. But I try to dig deep and tell myself that I don't know them, I don't know their life, and it's not really hurting me in the grand scheme of things. I'd rather have the accommodation be there and have some people misuse it than have it not be there at all, and have the many, many people that need it for various reasons (medical conditions, joint problems, scoliosis, MS, chronic pain and fatigue---you'd be surprised just how many conditions make it near impossible to spend all day walking around in hot, crowded Orlando) not have it and not be able to enjoy Disney like everyone else at the park

That and I kind of speak from a sort-of relevant experience. On my first trip, we went with my father, who has a disability that requires him to use a wheelchair. Every day, when boarding the bus, time would have to be taken out to get him on there so he could get to the parks. I remember my mom telling me about one rider in particular who was visibly annoyed, and had to actually be spoken to by the driver because of his behavior. This kind of behavior doesn't help anyone, it just risks hurting other people; disabled people often wrongfully feel like a huge burden to everyone around them, and it can be very bad for one's mental health to feel that way. My dad was just trying to do what most other dads at the park were doing: having a fun Disney vacation with their family.

ANYWAY, this thread is probably gonna end up locked, but that's just what I had to say about it. Like I said, I understand the basic human reflex to judge other people or feel annoyed. But try to remember you don't know what they're dealing with, or exactly why they need accommodations. Besides, you're at Disney. No point wasting time with negative thoughts when you could be enjoying yourself.

 

[Poofiesdream]

My husband and I are annual pass holders and live near by. We go a lot to the parks. My husband brings his own scooter every time. He has COPD and heart disease. Looking at him you would never know, but he can not walk more than a few feet. He has a disability pass. It does not let him go to the front of the line. He goes to the cast member who lets him know the standby time and writes it down for him. We then go away to wait and come back at that time and go threw the fastpass line. So we still have to wait like everyone else just not standing in line. I agree with you that there are a lot of people who have these passes and take advantage, but you can't blame the people who really need them. My husband only has a few years to live, why can't he have some enjoyment at Disney. Yes he mostly people watches while I take my granddaughter on the rides. He can't go on many rides but he is making lots of memories for our granddaughter to remember him taking her to Disney! Part of the problem is people rent scooters there and don't know how to use them. I think strollers especially those double ones are also a problem but are necessary for some families. Living near by we try to go off season when the crowds are low but lately its been crowded all year long.

 

[mouse_luv]

I remember seeing someone on a scooter and thinking, gee, that looks like the stereotypical person we all hear about - riding a scooter because they're overweight.

As they drove by, I noticed the back of their leg was clearly deformed.

Lesson learned, not every disability is immediately visible, or visible at all.

It certainly feels like the use of scooters at WDW is excessive, but unless we survey people it's pure speculation.

In a perfect world, disability supports would only be used by those who truly need them. Proof of disability is not required to rent a scooter or access the disability passes, which always seems like a negative to me - weeding out the fakers would make things better for those who need those supports.

Regardless, I have no control over the issue so it's one of those things I don't worry about.

Just to give my two cents that no one asked for.
I get the human reflex to roll your eyes and scoff at someone who doesn't seem to "need" accommodations and just write them off as lazy. I get it all the time. But I try to dig deep and tell myself that I don't know them, I don't know their life, and it's not really hurting me in the grand scheme of things. I'd rather have the accommodation be there and have some people misuse it than have it not be there at all, and have the many, many people that need it for various reasons (medical conditions, joint problems, scoliosis, MS, chronic pain and fatigue---you'd be surprised just how many conditions make it near impossible to spend all day walking around in hot, crowded Orlando) not have it and not be able to enjoy Disney like everyone else at the park

That and I kind of speak from a sort-of relevant experience. On my first trip, we went with my father, who has a disability that requires him to use a wheelchair. Every day, when boarding the bus, time would have to be taken out to get him on there so he could get to the parks. I remember my mom telling me about one rider in particular who was visibly annoyed, and had to actually be spoken to by the driver because of his behavior. This kind of behavior doesn't help anyone, it just risks hurting other people; disabled people often wrongfully feel like a huge burden to everyone around them, and it can be very bad for one's mental health to feel that way. My dad was just trying to do what most other dads at the park were doing: having a fun Disney vacation with their family.

ANYWAY, this thread is probably gonna end up locked, but that's just what I had to say about it. Like I said, I understand the basic human reflex to judge other people or feel annoyed. But try to remember you don't know what they're dealing with, or exactly why they need accommodations. Besides, you're at Disney. No point wasting time with negative thoughts when you could be enjoying yourself.

Thank you both for being able to better explain my point from earlier. So many people don't get it.

 

[Poofiesdream]

Okay, lets analyze this a little further. So just how is a little girl running over my foot with a scooter and causing me pain all day jumping to conclusions? So she had some kind of right to do this because she may have been helping Grandpa? May you enjoy the same event some day and see how much you like it then. Be sure to walk around the next few days with a sore foot during your high $$$ trip to Disney because of someone else's carelessness.

I have no issue with those needing scooters using them. But if they do not act responsibly, then they become a hazard to others and should be policed accordingly...handicapped or otherwise.

My husband uses a scooter and I can't tell you how many times people have walked right in front of him and some then stop he has to try and break as fast as he can. People are to busy looking at everything around them and not where their walking! He goes very slow and is as careful as he can be.

 

[mousehockey37]

This is only referring to overweight people, without any actual disability, using scooters-

Stroller- is for a child with small legs, unable to walk over 15 miles plus per day without passing out on a sidewalk. Said child did not choose to have small legs, they are just small children.

A stroller is a need. A scooter, in the specific case of obesity only, is laziness. I think that's what people have a problem with...Anywhere, not just WDW.

What are you on?

There are big people, little people, sick people, healthy people and everything in between.

If you are healthy and able, be happy. There are tons of people who would gladly trade their illness(es) to be healthy.

There are overweight people who are healthy, healthy weight people who are not.

Pass judgement how you want but don't come crying the day you wind up being someone you've complained about.

 

[21stamps]

My husband and I are annual pass holders and live near by. We go a lot to the parks. My husband brings his own scooter every time. He has COPD and heart disease. Looking at him you would never know, but he can not walk more than a few feet. He has a disability pass. It does not let him go to the front of the line. He goes to the cast member who lets him know the standby time and writes it down for him. We then go away to wait and come back at that time and go threw the fastpass line. So we still have to wait like everyone else just not standing in line. I agree with you that there are a lot of people who have these passes and take advantage, but you can't blame the people who really need them. My husband only has a few years to live, why can't he have some enjoyment at Disney. Yes he mostly people watches while I take my granddaughter on the rides. He can't go on many rides but he is making lots of memories for our granddaughter to remember him taking her to Disney! Part of the problem is people rent scooters there and don't know how to use them. I think strollers especially those double ones are also a problem but are necessary for some families. Living near by we try to go off season when the crowds are low but lately its been crowded all year long.

Just put of curiosity, when did that change? My grandmother went to WDW with us annually during the 80s. She was in a wheelchair full time. We always went in a separate entrance and pretty much got to "the front of the line".
I do realize there has been plenty of new rides since then, but did Disney stop allowing easy access to those in wheelchairs?

 

[Kamikaze]

Just put of curiosity, when did that change? My grandmother went to WDW with us annually during the 80s. She was in a wheelchair full time. We always went in a separate entrance and pretty much got to "the front of the line".
I do realize there has been plenty of new rides since then, but did Disney stop allowing easy access to those in wheelchairs?

When the privilege started being (heavily) abused.

 

[copcarguyp71]

I'm not even going to speculate on the topic of who is in need of scooters BUT I am sitting in Hersheypark today here in PA on a fairly busy day in the park and I can tell you in the 9 hours I have been here I have seen a total of maybe 10 scooters and a much lower number of strollers as compared to WDW and the people who had both seemed far less insistent and belligerent as a whole than the crowds with the same wheeled transports at WDW. Just thought it was worth throwing out there for added meaningful discussion that perhaps Disney has bred an air of entitlement with wheeled conveyances the same as it has with its park guests....discuss.

 

[Poofiesdream]

Just put of curiosity, when did that change? My grandmother went to WDW with us annually during the 80s. She was in a wheelchair full time. We always went in a separate entrance and pretty much got to "the front of the line".
I do realize there has been plenty of new rides since then, but did Disney stop allowing easy access to those in wheelchairs?

About two years ago they made ride lines wider so wheelchairs could just go in threw the regular lines on most rides. Just a few have separate entrances now. My husband has a disability pass that he uses that is different than just having a scooter or wheelchair.

 

[21stamps]

When the privilege started being (heavily) abused.

That's sad.

About two years ago they made ride lines wider so wheelchairs could just go in threw the regular lines on most rides. Just a few have separate entrances now. My husband has a disability pass that he uses that is different than just having a scooter or wheelchair.

I can't remember if they had a "disability pass" back then, I don't think so, but not positive. My grandmother was paralyzed in 1983 but still went to WDW with us until 1990.

 

[21stamps]

What are you on?

There are big people, little people, sick people, healthy people and everything in between.

If you are healthy and able, be happy. There are tons of people who would gladly trade their illness(es) to be healthy.

There are overweight people who are healthy, healthy weight people who are not.

Pass judgement how you want but don't come crying the day you wind up being someone you've complained about.

I think you skipped the "without any disability" part of my very first sentence. As well as the "obesity only" words in the last paragraph.
So, not really sure where the "What are you on?" question from you comes in. There are people who have chosen obesity as a lifestyle choice. That is a fact. Not all, but some. Some of those people also rent scooters at amusement parks, grocery stores, etc. That's a problem today. It is the fault of all of society, not just the people using those scooters without legitimate need. It's a problem in our country that has lead to punishing most for the choices of some. i.e. Public schools mandating certain types of food, removal of vending machines etc. - which is completely ridiculous.

There was no judgement on an illness or disability, but if you read all of the words you would have seen that. There's not even judgement on obesity on it's own. What I can't stand is laziness, taking advantage of something, and on others being affected as a result. This applies to way more than just obesity. It's our culture in general.

Read before you respond. Not everything is an attack that then should be countered with a "I hope you never develop an illness."

 

[ninjaprincesst]

This is only referring to overweight people, without any actual disability, using scooters-

Stroller- is for a child with small legs, unable to walk over 15 miles plus per day without passing out on a sidewalk. Said child did not choose to have small legs, they are just small children.

A stroller is a need. A scooter, in the specific case of obesity only, is laziness. I think that's what people have a problem with...Anywhere, not just WDW.

Not everyone who is overweight is overweight because they are lazy, there are a many different reasons someone could be overweight that have nothing to do with laziness.

 

[Kamikaze]

I think you skipped the "without any disability" part of my very first sentence. As well as the "obesity only" words in the last paragraph.
So, not really sure where the "What are you on?" question from you comes in. There are people who have chosen obesity as a lifestyle choice. That is a fact. Not all, but some. Some of those people also rent scooters at amusement parks, grocery stores, etc. That's a problem today. It is the fault of all of society, not just the people using those scooters without legitimate need. It's a problem in our country that has lead to punishing most for the choices of some. i.e. Public schools mandating certain types of food, removal of vending machines etc. - which is completely ridiculous.

There was no judgement on an illness or disability, but if you read all of the words you would have seen that.
Read before you respond. Not everything is an attack that then should be countered with a "I hope you never get develop an illness."

The problem is, according to the ADA, a company cannot ask someone to prove their disability or judge a person's disability. So they have to either make something like a scooter available to everyone or no one.

This topic is done to death on this site and all Disney sites. There's really no reason to discuss it as there is nothing to be gained.

 

[ninjaprincesst]

What are you on?

There are big people, little people, sick people, healthy people and everything in between.

If you are healthy and able, be happy. There are tons of people who would gladly trade their illness(es) to be healthy.

There are overweight people who are healthy, healthy weight people who are not.

Pass judgement how you want but don't come crying the day you wind up being someone you've complained about.

Exactly , my Dad used to be the worst complaining about the people abusing the scooters then all the sudden he has a metal rod in his back and due to a freak accident lost his leg, now all the sudden he's one of those scooter people.