Brer Panther
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To be fair, you could say "it's just a theme park ride" to all of the people complaining that it's racist too.
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Jungle Cruise Update
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Kram Sacul
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- In the Parks
- Yes
What will all the professional victims have to talk about then?
Buck Wheelie
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Exactly! People have a choice to make. They can go to a place like Disney and look to have a good time or they can go and try to find something to offend them which is common for some people these days.
lazyboy97o
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Sure, it’s just ride. But it’s not alone. It is also just movies, and television, and graphic arts, and theater, and jokes, and so you get to where we are now where the default depiction of a number of peoples is negative.
el_super
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I absolutely agree with this. If you really don't like the changes coming to the parks, then just stop going. Walk away and never look back.
Seems like the best for everyone really.
Californian Elitist
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The thing is those who are for the changes and are claiming it to be racist AREN’T the ones saying “it’s just a theme park ride.” It’s those screaming about “SJWs” and how the world is too “sensitive” claiming “it’s just a theme park ride.” If it’s just a theme park ride, as you guys are claiming, then the changes shouldn’t mean very much to you and you probably wouldn’t be online talking about the subject if it really isn’t that serious.
You guys don’t actually believe it’s just a theme park ride. At this point, it’s obvious it’s just a weak rebuttal and attempt to make your argument stronger. Not looking good though.
Californian Elitist
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And who will you complain and whine about then?
EPCOTCenterLover
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I'd turn this around and say this is a great place to have this discussion and that your input is needed. In some parts of America, our communities are still so divided and some of us may not have friends that don't look like us. It may not be your job to explain these things to us, but it is your job to help build true community if you want to see change. We all have a role to play. You can't ask a book questions. I consider us all friends in a sense, and we who don't have your background could ask questions so we can learn from your perspective. As for me, I go to a multiethnic church and have friends from many backgrounds because I live in an urban area. And I grew up in a multiethnic neighborhood and live in one now. Not everyone has that same opportunity. Stay the course!
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Deleted member 107043
This part.
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Was hoping that we could be adults here and talk about things in respectful and civilized manner. Looks like that isn't the case.
The thread has been tagged as political and will likely end up being moved to the politics area. We can then start a thread specifically for attraction discussion once things start happening.
The thread has been tagged as political and will likely end up being moved to the politics area. We can then start a thread specifically for attraction discussion once things start happening.
misfitdoll
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Theater is extremely diverse. It may be the most “real” artistic medium as the people involved often don’t get rich doing it and are truly passionate about art, real art, and telling human stories. Sure there are always jukebox musicals for tourists but there are beautiful rich gripping stories running along side them, and a typical Broadway cast is very very diverse. The last show I saw before the pandemic was Hadestown. Look it up! Nothing forced. Real art. I feel like we all WANT real art like this deep down inside, because it connects us to each other.
Do you really feel that the default depiction of some people is negative, even in 2021? I don’t think there is much of an audience for it. Americans don’t actually want that anymore and are actively rejecting it from what I can tell.
misfitdoll
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PS. No offense to “Jukebox musicals” as they can be fun and artistic too. And my kids are obsessed with the Spongebob Musical. 
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Deleted member 107043
It's telling how triggered some people got after my simple comment that there ought to be better representations of Black people at Disneyland isn't it? This discussion is wild. I'm sitting here reading posts with raised eyebrows.
I hear you, but we're tired. Tired of having to spell out all the many ways in which racism permeates American culture only to have white people across the spectrum of society consistently gaslight us. The act of having to constantly justify our existence and point of view is demoralizing and yet another act of white oppression. It's disheartening to be here, in an online community I generally enjoy, and have Black experiences questioned and to be told that any personal effort to understand my viewpoint would make someone "miserable".
Stacey Abrams said, "We must cease being participants in our own oppression", so in that spirit I have stopped politely tolerating people with opposing opinions on white supremacy, racism, equality, and social justice. Instead, like millions of other African Americans, I'm directing my energy into to beating back lies, unapologetically speaking the truth, supporting businesses and political leaders that represent my values, and networking with a diverse group of allies. I'm not interested in meeting immoral bigots half-way or reaching across the aisle to anyone who is opposed to listening to me, especially not here. Black people are not the problem, therefore there is nothing I need to explain to any white person with dubious intentions or unwilling to engage in an honest and thoughtful exchange.
OAN, I appreciate the kind words, and more importantly you taking the time to listen. White allies for African Americans and other racially underrepresented groups are doing the hard work to support us at their jobs, on social media, within their friend and family circles, etc. We can never achieve a better society without individuals like you. Thank you.
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networkpro
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- In the Parks
- Yes
It's telling Thank you.
TLDR; Its an amusement park. They banned Trump banner wavers, why not others?
el_super
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I think there's a deeper truth behind the changes to the Jungle Cruise (and Splash) that are striking people the wrong way. Disney relied so long on their history and nostalgia that newer fans don't really remember a time when the park didn't have that history. Now you are seeing a wholesale change in the broader audience (the younger audience) that don't view the history and nostalgia as a positive, and Disney is being forced to pivot hard away from it. To their credit, they recognized the change coming and are trying to get ahead of it, before there is massive fallout and public backlash. They're handling it better than most companies.
Then you have this older audience that bought into the history and traditions and don't want to see them change no matter the cost. This bedrock principal of what Disneyland is all about. That concept of history/tradition/Americana that Disneyland has promoted so heavily over the last 40 years, is now a liability for them. What is old and traditional has to be looked at and analyzed with skepticism. It isn't just about making a couple changes on Splash or Jungle Cruise or Tiki Room, but changing the whole picture of what Disneyland means to the audience. It's a lot to change and some folks just can't handle change that fast.
That's manifesting itself into these arguments that the Jungle Cruise (or anything really at Disneyland) is untouchable, because it's always been there and it's always been like this. I think they're falling into the typical trap of, I like this thing, and I'm not racist, so it can't be racist itself.
So I want to believe that a lot of the arguments against these changes aren't coming from a place of actual racism and hatred, but just a place that is against change. An anger against progress that is usually reserved for changes like adding Starbucks to Main Street, but this time they are unaware at how those arguments against are hurting others in the community.
The sooner one realizes that nothing at Disneyland is untouchable, and nothing ever should be untouchable, I think the better off people will be. Embrace the things you like, disconnect from the things you don't. If it really causes you a lot of pain, just walk away. Otherwise it's going to be a rough couple of decades ahead for you as a Disneyland fan.
Californian Elitist
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I’ve been reading the posts thinking, so that’s how you feel. Okay.
It is telling, isn’t it?
Us and others: A more healthy representation of black Americans in the park is needed and would be welcome.
Suspects: I disagree, no, iT’s JUsT a thEme pARk RIDe but at the same time the Jungle Cruise changes have inspired me to come online and talk about it because I’m disappointed with the changes, that’s not needed, oh no, the SJWs are here again talking about representation and privilege and how we need to be better as a society, ZOMG, please no.
That paths and attempts and healthier racial relations upset folks definitely makes me feel suspicious. I’m not necessarily saying folks are racist, but maybe racially insensitive, prone to saying/thinking ignorantly about races other than their own, and uneducated about history and how said history has led to where we are? Yeah, I could see that. And let’s be honest, many folks here are conservative and I would expect nothing less. But as I stated earlier, there’s always been backlash (and even violence) when people talk about how we can make racial relations better. Things are changing whether people like it or not.
EPCOTCenterLover
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And there’s a wide range of “in between”. One size does not fit all, regardless of the demographic.
EPCOTCenterLover
Well-Known Member
It's telling how triggered some people got after my simple comment that there ought to be better representations of Black people at Disneyland isn't it? This discussion is wild. I'm sitting here reading posts with raised eyebrows.
I hear you, but we're tired. Tired of having to spell out all the many ways in which racism permeates American culture only to have white people across the spectrum of society consistently gaslight us. The act of having to constantly justify our existence and point of view is demoralizing and yet another act of white oppression. It's disheartening to be here, in an online community I generally enjoy, and have Black experiences questioned and to be told that any personal effort to understand my viewpoint would make someone "miserable".
Stacey Abrams said, "We must cease being participants in our own oppression", so in that spirit I have stopped politely tolerating people with opposing opinions on white supremacy, racism, equality, and social justice. Instead, like millions of other African Americans, I'm directing my energy into to beating back lies, unapologetically speaking the truth, supporting businesses and political leaders that represent my values, and networking with a diverse group of allies. I'm not interested in meeting immoral bigots half-way or reaching across the aisle to anyone who is opposed to listening to me, especially not here. Black people are not the problem, therefore there is nothing I need to explain to any white person with dubious intentions or unwilling to engage in an honest and thoughtful exchange.
OAN, I appreciate the kind words, and more importantly you taking the time to listen. White allies for African Americans and other racially underrepresented groups are doing the hard work to support us at their jobs, on social media, within their friend and family circles, etc. We can never achieve a better society without individuals like you. Thank you.
Thank you for further explaining yourself. I’m sure it must be exhausting. That’s a point I hadn’t thought of.