Jungle Cruise Re-Imagining

JustInTime

JustInTime

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Incomudro said:
I get that.
What I mean is, for to work better - it helps to know that it is a nod to an original Disneyland version.
That doesn't say much for its effectiveness.
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I don’t think you NEED to know though. It’s plenty effective without it. Especially to average guests. But as a Disney fan I enjoy small backstory and details. For me, it often changes how I perceive things. If it doesn’t for you, that’s okay too. :)
 
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GimpYancIent

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RSoxNo1 said:
They should have used the little red figure from Kilimanjaro Safaris. I like the end concept, but I also think they could make the two shops a bit more unique and fill it with location specific easter eggs. How great would it be if they put a Buzzy animatronic in the lost and found?
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celluloid

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It is insane to spend all of the money, the delays, the promotion after delays and the budget for these all for this, as well as the film to just get meh reviews and not bring any resulting extra attention to the attraction.
 
owlsandcoffee

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celluloid said:
It is insane to spend all of the money, the delays, the promotion after delays and the budget for these all for this, as well as the film to just get meh reviews and not bring any resulting extra attention to the attraction.
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That is not why they did it. The current crop of imagineers thought it needed to be brought up to date with regards to cultural standards (imo they have a point but I don't want to belabor that). In that regard, the project has been a success.
 
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celluloid

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owlsandcoffee said:
That is not why they did it. The current crop of imagineers thought it needed to be brought up to date with regards to cultural standards (imo they have a point but I don't want to belabor that). In that regard, the project has been a success.
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They did it with the budget that was set aside for movie implementation. Once the movie got pushed back for another year, they were told they were going to lose the budget if they do not use it. Sadly that is how budgets sometimes work. I am grateful at least it was not a film tie in.

They took the opportunity. But it was not the reason. The ride refurb and additions, the special Disney Plus produced by Dwayne The Rock Johnson with the first episode being Jungle Cruise and the film were all less than lukewarm received synergy storm for Disney's most expensive film in years. Of course the pandemic did not do them any favors. The movie's timing was not just a coincidence for Disney to realize they could culturally update it. Trader Sam is in the film, natives are in the film.
 
JustInTime

JustInTime

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celluloid said:
They did it with the budget that was set aside for movie implementation. Once the movie got pushed back for another year, they were told they were going to lose the budget if they do not use it. Sadly that is how budgets sometimes work. I am grateful at least it was not a film tie in.

They took the opportunity. But it was not the reason. The ride refurb and additions, the special Disney Plus produced by Dwayne The Rock Johnson with the first episode being Jungle Cruise and the film were all less than lukewarm received synergy storm for Disney's most expensive film in years. Of course the pandemic did not do them any favors. The movie's timing was not just a coincidence for Disney to realize they could culturally update it. Trader Sam is in the film, natives are in the film.
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There were never plans to implement the film into the ride from what I heard. I heard the budget for the sensitivity makeovers came from the Epcot redo.
 
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celluloid

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JustInTime said:
There were never plans to implement the film into the ride from what I heard. I heard the budget for the sensitivity makeovers came from the Epcot redo.
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This is false, the plans and some of the changes you see were in the works before the EPCOT redo was canceled. The low cost movie related additions, the couple of props, such as Frank's hat, made it into the scenery are all that is left. If the movie would have been released when it was supposed to originally(it was delayed twice) and been a moderate success you would have seen more. If they tracked it being a hit by the second time it was supposed to be released pre pandemic, you would have seen different installations and radio transmissions from Frank during the ride.
 
Sir_Cliff

Sir_Cliff

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celluloid said:
They did it with the budget that was set aside for movie implementation. Once the movie got pushed back for another year, they were told they were going to lose the budget if they do not use it. Sadly that is how budgets sometimes work. I am grateful at least it was not a film tie in.

They took the opportunity. But it was not the reason. The ride refurb and additions, the special Disney Plus produced by Dwayne The Rock Johnson with the first episode being Jungle Cruise and the film were all less than lukewarm received synergy storm for Disney's most expensive film in years. Of course the pandemic did not do them any favors. The movie's timing was not just a coincidence for Disney to realize they could culturally update it. Trader Sam is in the film, natives are in the film.
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Hmm, the timeline we're all publicly aware of is that this was basically the first cab off the rank after the new committee was formed to address issues related to inclusion and racial stereotypes in the parks. Are you saying the budget would have been lost and they wouldn't have made the changes if they didn't do it according to the original timeline for movie-based additions? That seems unusual to me as Jungle Cruise was an attraction that would be an obvious starting point for changes and I find it hard to imagine the budget would have just vanished and the changes not made if they didn't use up the budget for movie-related additions on time.

I don't have any inside information at all, so not trying to question any you might have. Logically, though, I'm struggling to understand where this fits in with the drive to address the same issues more broadly in the parks (e.g. the Adventureland signs).
 
JustInTime

JustInTime

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Sir_Cliff said:
Hmm, the timeline we're all publicly aware of is that this was basically the first cab off the rank after the new committee was formed to address issues related to inclusion and racial stereotypes in the parks. Are you saying the budget would have been lost and they wouldn't have made the changes if they didn't do it according to the original timeline for movie-based additions? That seems unusual to me as Jungle Cruise was an attraction that would be an obvious starting point for changes and I find it hard to imagine the budget would have just vanished and the changes not made if they didn't use up the budget for movie-related additions on time.

I don't have any inside information at all, so not trying to question any you might have. Logically, though, I'm struggling to understand where this fits in with the drive to address the same issues more broadly in the parks (e.g. the Adventureland signs).
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Yeah. Don’t buy it.
 
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celluloid

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Sir_Cliff said:
Hmm, the timeline we're all publicly aware of is that this was basically the first cab off the rank after the new committee was formed to address issues related to inclusion and racial stereotypes in the parks. Are you saying the budget would have been lost and they wouldn't have made the changes if they didn't do it according to the original timeline for movie-based additions? That seems unusual to me as Jungle Cruise was an attraction that would be an obvious starting point for changes and I find it hard to imagine the budget would have just vanished and the changes not made if they didn't use up the budget for movie-related additions on time.

I don't have any inside information at all, so not trying to question any you might have. Logically, though, I'm struggling to understand where this fits in with the drive to address the same issues more broadly in the parks (e.g. the Adventureland signs).
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Close. I see the confusion. The change to sensitivity came after the movie was delayed and not tracking well. (not because of it)
It helps to remember that Jungle Cruise as a film has been in the can for a long time. Had it come out to be a moderate hit in 2019, it would have been an organic process of changing to the film tie ins but as time passed and budgets slashed,(slashed is different than you don't get anything to use) and eventually a use it or lose it, they constructed what you have now. The EPCOT redo does not make sense as as silly as it sounds, the parks run as a somewhat separate entity at that level and their budgets accounted for. The movie was completed and originally slated to come out and bring about attraction changes in 2019. These finalizations would again, have organically brought up some political correctness but the focus being on promoting the film synergy, much like Pirates. The film was not tracking great but they were ready to go. This was Summer of 2019 when the movie had a release date of Fall of 2019. This was the first delay of the film into 2020. It was then decided to not wait on the film and go full force with the PR of changing the attractions as a part of the sensitivity and inclusion committee and focus becoming a primary part.

Furthering the disconnect is the fact that the film has aspects of the attraction that are no longer part of the attraction. The film even gender bends Trader Sam.


As many are aware in major business worlds, if you do not use budgets allocated for you, it hurts you in the next year. As silly as it sounds, you want to stay under budget but not too much under budget, otherwise it will be seen as a expenditure or obsolete department. You want that same kind of funding in future years and projects. So just because the movie flopped, did not mean they were not going to have a few large changes. Hence why the PC changes still served their purpose for that as well. The same way the EPCOT redo was not canceled, it was just modified because like this, it was far along in planning and was going to happen or else they risk more issues. Spaceship Earth dough did not go to inclusion teams. Parks individually and departments individually, all try to use the budget allocation as close to on the mark as they plan to. Too far over of course you look bad, too far under and you will not get any funds in the future for doing the job right. Cast Members know this too well as a micro example. Some want to ER and go home when they are not in a good place for whatever reason to work a full shift. They would like to ER or (Early Release) request. You often get to if the budget for that department no matter what department it is, is looking good on hours. If they release too often, the average hours needed for that time of year in the department will look bad and they will not start with that amount budgeted in the future.
 
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DisneyDreamerxyz

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I wonder if there will even be a way to know when they are "done" adding things to this ride since they're working on it while it's open. Maybe with the Ziploc money they will be able to add more things than they originally would have.
 

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