EPCOT Journey of Water featuring Moana coming to Epcot

jt04

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A Fastpass for whatever this is, and it will be as popular as FoP? Fonzie has jumped the shark.

Fastpass was a joke. Sort of. I expect people will linger creating backups.

Not as popular as Padora because apples/oranges. But similarly exceeding the low bar some have is an apt anology.

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GimpYancIent

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A show fountain is also in the works to sit in the middle of the hub. It should be better than FoN simply because it's newer.

We're getting two water features in place of the one (plus the upgraded entrance fountain, plus the daytime fountains in the lagoon).
Newer does not equal better, two in place of one OK, but, daytime fountains in the Lagoon 😄 Nah more like just exposed hardware squirting water.
 

Bocabear

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A show fountain is also in the works to sit in the middle of the hub. It should be better than FoN simply because it's newer.

We're getting two water features in place of the one (plus the upgraded entrance fountain, plus the daytime fountains in the lagoon).
The Entrance fountain was just a restoration of the original feature that was removed because they didn't want to spend the money to refurbish it years ago... Sort of an object lesson for what could come in 10 years...
Would "Fountain Play Area" be a better descriptor for the interactive fountains water feature area based on a Polynesian cartoon character that makes no sense in the front entry of this particular park?...
I love the idea for this Fountain Play Area, but I think it should be somewhere else, and not the first thing you see after passing Spaceship Earth...
 

James Alucobond

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Would "Fountain Play Area" be a better descriptor for the interactive fountains water feature area based on a Polynesian cartoon character that makes no sense in the front entry of this particular park?...
Would you describe the leaping fountains as a "fountain play area"? The interactive water features in Pandora? Then sure, call it whatever you like. I think the others were simply pointing out that a splash pad is something specific and that you seem awfully fixated on using language that infantilizes and denigrates the attraction before much is even known about it. Your constant mention of the fact that the "sponsoring" IP is a cartoon when, as far as we've seen, none of the characters make an overt appearance has similar undertones.

As for whether it's appropriate at the entrance, I don't recall Innoventions having a particularly serious, hands-off, or adult tone, though obviously the fact that it was enclosed only exposed you to the signage at first.
 

jt04

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My belief that FoN was removed and paths widened were a necessary crowd control measure keeps getting clearer. For those wanting more attractions and WS content, this was necessary. You can't always have an 'all the above' solution.

Plus it was always overrated. ⛲
 

CastAStone

5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
Nah. See above.
mascot no GIF
 

Poseidon Quest

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There was a much much bigger backlash against Pandora in dak and most people now love it. For many the land is rated best and so is FoP.

Same will happen with Journey featuring Moana. Bookmark here ➡

That's not the same thing at all. Putting the Avatar franchise into Animal Kingdom is still a bad idea because it's a desperate and short sighted reaction to The Wizarding World. The land works because the creative team behind it was able to transform the franchise beyond the film into something that fits into Animal Kingdom. It was the exception, not the norm. Most likely due to the influence Joe Rohde has (or had I suppose) within the company.

I spent 30 minutes breaking that down here if you're interested:
 

jt04

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That's not the same thing at all. Putting the Avatar franchise into Animal Kingdom is still a bad idea because it's a desperate and short sighted reaction to The Wizarding World. The land works because the creative team behind it was able to transform the franchise beyond the film into something that fits into Animal Kingdom. It was the exception, not the norm. Most likely due to the influence Joe Rohde has (or had I suppose) within the company.

I spent 30 minutes breaking that down here if you're interested:


No argument from me. I was defending the concept right here on these magical boards while it was rumored to be struggling to survive. I think I saw a JR interview where he was having doubts about the same time as insiders here were saying it would likely not survive. I was pretty much the lone voice here on these boards. I guess some guy named Iger also thought it would work. That probably helped.

Journey of Water will also work in my opinion because it is just one piece of the puzzle called Disney Nature. Although a very cool piece of the puzzle it appears.
 

jt04

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The Innovention's abandoned building is better than this.

It makes no sense for Epcot. But I guess that is the direction they're going in for this park. That is why the Mary Poppins attraction was possibly canceled, it makes too much sense.

I'm much more optimistic. If they proceed one of the possibilities is they can explore how cutting edge technologies can improve the natural world. It also allows DAK to have more purely entertainment attractions by sharing the "green initiative" rather than being that park's sole focus.

Just brainstorming.
 

The Grand Inquisitor

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That's not the same thing at all. Putting the Avatar franchise into Animal Kingdom is still a bad idea because it's a desperate and short sighted reaction to The Wizarding World. The land works because the creative team behind it was able to transform the franchise beyond the film into something that fits into Animal Kingdom. It was the exception, not the norm. Most likely due to the influence Joe Rohde has (or had I suppose) within the company.

I spent 30 minutes breaking that down here if you're interested:

Hey man just got to say real quick I'm a huge fan of your videos! The Avengers Campus video was 🔥
 

Phicinfan

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The Entrance fountain was just a restoration of the original feature that was removed because they didn't want to spend the money to refurbish it years ago... Sort of an object lesson for what could come in 10 years...
Would "Fountain Play Area" be a better descriptor for the interactive fountains water feature area based on a Polynesian cartoon character that makes no sense in the front entry of this particular park?...
I love the idea for this Fountain Play Area, but I think it should be somewhere else, and not the first thing you see after passing Spaceship Earth...
Okay I am confused. I know others have explained this, but you continue to stick your head in the sand....

It is in world of Nature - and will be focus of the movie which is the importance of nature and water to life. Right near entrance of Seas and not far from land.

So if you can dig your head out, why exactly is this NOT a fit for EPCOT? I get the hate, everyone wants EPCOT to return to what it was. However, if we are going to nitpick ideas to death, can we at least do it somewhat objectively and not just pout for no good reason?

It is NOT a splash pad as you pouted about and got shown for real
It is NOT a space blocker - as there are other paths around
So does it need the IP tie in , no. I will give to you there. But if it enhances the entrances to Land and Sea and has a purpose to share importance of water and nature, then lets wait to see what we actually get?
 

TikibirdLand

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Okay I am confused. I know others have explained this, but you continue to stick your head in the sand....

It is in world of Nature - and will be focus of the movie which is the importance of nature and water to life. Right near entrance of Seas and not far from land.

So if you can dig your head out, why exactly is this NOT a fit for EPCOT? I get the hate, everyone wants EPCOT to return to what it was. However, if we are going to nitpick ideas to death, can we at least do it somewhat objectively and not just pout for no good reason?

It is NOT a splash pad as you pouted about and got shown for real
It is NOT a space blocker - as there are other paths around
So does it need the IP tie in , no. I will give to you there. But if it enhances the entrances to Land and Sea and has a purpose to share importance of water and nature, then lets wait to see what we actually get?
No need to get rude here. This is just a discussion board. I see your point. I won't speak for Bocabear. But, I see the destruction of Comunicore and the Foutain of nations really removed the idea of a "hub" just past Spaceship Earth. I liked how open it was. You could see all of the pavilions and the WS beyond. It built anticipation. I don't think there will be anything "wrong" with JoW. I just think it will clutter up the central area beyond WS. I guess that ship has sailed. To say there is cohesiveness in this design is a little hyperbolic. Adding trees and nature to this area will make for radical changes. It just won't be the same EPCoT I took my kids to over the last two decades.
 

jt04

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No need to get rude here. This is just a discussion board. I see your point. I won't speak for Bocabear. But, I see the destruction of Comunicore and the Foutain of nations really removed the idea of a "hub" just past Spaceship Earth. I liked how open it was. You could see all of the pavilions and the WS beyond. It built anticipation. I don't think there will be anything "wrong" with JoW. I just think it will clutter up the central area beyond WS. I guess that ship has sailed. To say there is cohesiveness in this design is a little hyperbolic. Adding trees and nature to this area will make for radical changes. It just won't be the same EPCoT I took my kids to over the last two decades.

The former spider canopy, and communicore building hindered or completely blocked views of WS. Original plaza with its trees and the FoN also blocked WS to some extent. JoW will be off to the side and pose no sightline issues.
 

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