Journey Into Imagination refurb.

Magenta Panther

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I don't see why Figment can't be the mascot for all of future world honestly, keep him as a friendly face, even if the pavilion gets changed

Figment AND Dreamfinder. Figment is, after all, literally a figment of Dreamfinder's imagination. And the "spark" of imagination is what the JII was all about, right? Without Dreamfinder, Figment, being a purple dragon, would be more at home in Fantasyland.
 

Cmdr_Crimson

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Figment AND Dreamfinder. Figment is, after all, literally a figment of Dreamfinder's imagination. And the "spark" of imagination is what the JII was all about, right? Without Dreamfinder, Figment, being a purple dragon, would be more at home in Fantasyland.

Besides he was prominently shown to be the Ambassador of Epcot before Eisner's reign of shoving the other characters in was a thing...
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They even had a section of Figment Merch in Centorium before they kicked him back to the Image Works store after MouseGears came in...
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Goofyernmost

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Besides he was prominently shown to be the Ambassador of Epcot before Eisner's reign of shoving the other characters in was a thing...
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Have I lost my mind or isn't that Mickey Mouse just to the right of Figment. Isn't Mickey one of the evil characters that everyone is all messed up about? Seems like that has been the norm for a long time. The button is dated 1982. That would be pretty much right at the beginning of EPCOT.
 

Mike S

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Have I lost my mind or isn't that Mickey Mouse just to the right of Figment. Isn't Mickey one of the evil characters that everyone is all messed up about? Seems like that has been the norm for a long time. The button is dated 1982. That would be pretty much right at the beginning of EPCOT.
Point to the Mickey Mouse ride that existed or really any character driven ride that was based on a movie. Then you'll have a point.
 

Goofyernmost

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Point to the Mickey Mouse ride that existed or really any character driven ride that was based on a movie. Then you'll have a point.
No, the point is that all we have heard from all the fan/experts is that EPCOT was never going to have any representation in the parks of cartoon characters. This has been an ongoing argument for a long time. Over and over it has been shown that this was not the case in the beginning and it isn't now. The change now is that they are using those characters in attractions (not that Figment wasn't as much a cartoon character as Mickey, just more recent). That said, they have been used whenever it was to their benefit to do so. That is the current policy of Disney. We can quote what used to be until the cows come home, that situation no longer exists regardless of our personal opinion about it. So why not just, pardon the expression, let it go. Accept that this is the new Disney, like it or not, and the only way we can control it is by no longer spending our money to support it. If the majority are not willing to do that (which I suspect is the case) then what it is, is what it is. Let's see if we can get over this hurdle and try to find a way to see something positive in it or just don't go to Epcot anymore... you don't like what it has become so stop torturing yourselves and stay away.

Personally, I like the old and I like the new! Which one I liked better is of no consequence because I can only deal with what is there, not what used to be there, good or bad. I am going to continue to go there because unlike so many others, apparently, I am happy that they are finally pumping some new life into my favorite park. It was dying a slow death and is still on life support, but, it appears to be gaining strength, and that's good, in my mind.
 
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Magenta Panther

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Have I lost my mind or isn't that Mickey Mouse just to the right of Figment. Isn't Mickey one of the evil characters that everyone is all messed up about? Seems like that has been the norm for a long time. The button is dated 1982. That would be pretty much right at the beginning of EPCOT.

Mickey's just representing all of WDW on that button. He didn't have a meet-and-greet or attraction there. Although somebody did stick his disembodied arm on SE for a while, and didn't everybody hate that?
 

Goofyernmost

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Mickey's just representing all of WDW on that button. He didn't have a meet-and-greet or attraction there. Although somebody did stick his disembodied arm on SE for a while, and didn't everybody hate that?
The whole cast used to ride in on the double decker bus and have a M & G right at the entrance to World Showcase from Future World.
 

RoysCabin

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The only good news rumor I had heard about an Imagination update was that a few folks on the Disney corporate ladder had taken note of how well the Figment comic series from Marvel was selling. Not saying that was somehow 100% confirmed or that the people saying it were hyping any imminent rehab of the ride, but the people I saw saying it aren't known for just bandying about completely baseless information, so I took it as "hey, can't hurt to support the comic's release."
 

FigmentJedi

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The only good news rumor I had heard about an Imagination update was that a few folks on the Disney corporate ladder had taken note of how well the Figment comic series from Marvel was selling. Not saying that was somehow 100% confirmed or that the people saying it were hyping any imminent rehab of the ride, but the people I saw saying it aren't known for just bandying about completely baseless information, so I took it as "hey, can't hurt to support the comic's release."
It was Bob himself acknowledging the book's high sales at a Shareholder meeting a few years back when being asked the annual "When's Dreamfinder coming back" question.
 

RSoxNo1

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Yes, and that is true. That is what Management said in 1982.

And as has already been said numerous times, they very quickly changed their mind due to guest demand.
This is a common thing that unfortunately we need to accept. Disney has tried on multiple occasions to create parks without a large character influence. Epcot had very little, DCA had very little, even DisneySea didn't have much (although Lost River Delta and Mermaid Lagoon were IP based). Inevitably though, these parks "evolve" to add more characters.

I think there's a way for Epcot to work without the IP infusion, but Disney is unwilling to try because it's not the "safe" route. Adding characters is easy and more importantly safe. It's far easier to pray on guest's familiarity then to create something that's of a higher quality. That's not to say the two have to be mutually exclusive, but it's my biggest opposition to character infusion. The quality of the overall product is denigrated when a character is placed where it doesn't belong. Something specifically designed with the surrounding area in mind has a step up from a quality standpoint. However, that original concept lacks the familiarity that allows Disney (or really any company) to promote the new thing.
 
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Bocabear

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Sorry, I'm using character base and intellectual property base interchangeably. Original characters for the theme parks are typically a better fit in a place like Epcot. It's why I want a Chandu and Shiriki Utundu plush and not a Mickey plush.
Chandu the tiger from Sinbad? What are the others? Disney Sea Tower Of Terror? I agree the special characters created for the park are a better souvenir...makes it more unique and more memorable...You can buy fab 5 Disney plush in any store or WalMart...
 

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