jim hill gets kicked out?

[iluvdiz>YOU]

Check this out. Jim Hill got kicked out of Disneyland while doing one of his "tours". Guess Disney got tired of him lying all the time.
http://www.jimhillmedia.com/mb/articles/showarticle.php?ID=1356

 

[Figment1986]

Funny... women who took his tour by accident got him shut down...


(* note to self.. make sure to be clear with eveyone... what tour this is...*)

 

[HauntedPirate]

Haha, that's kinda funny. I guess he forgot that DL can boot any paying guest at any time. 3 people complaining about his "tour" would, in my eyes, definitely be grounds for getting da boot.

That marks the first time I've visited any portion of his site in quite some time. And honestly, I have no desire to return any time soon. I find that he's developed this elitist attitude, that he actually holds clout or something. Al Lutz, he has some clout. I think Grizz has some clout, too (hey, being mentioned a few times on the SaveDisney website ain't nothin' to sneeze at ).

 

[wannab@dis]

:lol: serves him right!

It's about time that JHM figures out the way things work. It's not a First Amendment right to charge someone to take a tour at DL. He's charging $25 per person to do a "tour" inside the park. Uhmm... doesn't the Mouse have their own tours? So, he's trying to compete with them inside THEIR park. Doesn't work. They have the right to say "NO" to anything happening on their property.

Also, his article tries to blame the 3 women for taking the wrong tour. Don't blame them... grow a backbone and say you screwed up. If he didn't want someone participating that wasn't supposed to be there, do a head count like a REAL tour and be sure people have some kind of badge.

Hey Cory! Wanna try to rationalize your boss' goof? :lol:

 

[GymLeaderPhil]

Well soliciting on Disney property gets you kicked out... if he was indeed speaking badly about the company. Here's the thing, Disney does not shun on unoffical events/gatherings as long as they aren't negative or potentially damaging to the company. MousePlanet's MouseAdventure for instance is allowed.

And I for one cannot wait to see if Cory does indeed respond...

 

[CoryMitchell]

Hey Cory! Wanna try to rationalize your boss' goof? :lol:

Well, I don't know is I would call it a "goof". I don't believe Jim was serious about the whole "First Amedment right" thing. If he was serious, then I disagree with him. It is fully within Disney's rights to remove anyone from their park that they feel is doing it a disservice.
But, I don't feel Jim was any danger to the park or to its reputation. I've done Jim's tours and there isn't anything offensive in there.
All that aside, Jim isn't the only person who gives "unofficial" tours inside the parks and this may set an unfortunate precedent for other people who give tours that dare to tell the stories that are not sanctioned by the Disney company.

 

[wannab@dis]

Hey, I have to say that I admire your response. I was surprised, to say the least.

JH's use of the 1st amendment as an excuse was not delivered in the article in a humorous fashion. Therefore, I have to assume he WAS being serious.

Second, the precedent was probably set long ago. I'm sure that JH is not the first person leading an UN-official tour to be kicked out. It only makes sense that Disney should control (sanction) the message given to the consumer within the gates of their parks.

Lastly, my use of "goof" was directed at JH not being sure who was on the tour. I would assume if you charge for the tour, you should be sure everyone paid for the tour. If he would have done a quick 'head check' then the tours may still be going. He could have told the '3 women' they were in the wrong place and then they wouldn't have complained.

 

[TheOneVader]

Although that is funny, you guys are a little harsh on Jim... I remember when I first joind the board in '02, Jim Hill was a recommended site to visit. Ever since the Grizz incident, people are always so negative...

 

[wannab@dis]

Although that is funny, you guys are a little harsh on Jim... I remember when I first joind the board in '02, Jim Hill was a recommended site to visit. Ever since the Grizz incident, people are always so negative...

I, for one, have never recommended anyone visit his site. :lol: Also, my opinion of JHM has nothing to do with Grizz or the incident you are talking about.

 

[CoryMitchell]

Dis,
First off thanks for the compliment on my repsonse. I realize I have a reputation for being an ______ around her sometimes. But I occasionally get carried away when people insult the work that Jim and I do.
I also will just drop off into comedy/parody in my comments because I feel that the discussion here just devovles to that level. Is it my fault sometimes? Sure. But certainly not all the times.

JH's use of the 1st amendment as an excuse was not delivered in the article in a humorous fashion. Therefore, I have to assume he WAS being serious

I think that the way he phrased it seemed humorous. "The right to tell somewhat embarassing stories about the Mouse. That's somewhere in the Constitution ... isn't it?" I think that's kind of humourous and makes it clear that he's being tounge in cheek. But, maybe that's because I know Jim's humor better.

Second, the precedent was probably set long ago. I'm sure that JH is not the first person leading an UN-official tour to be kicked out. It only makes sense that Disney should control (sanction) the message given to the consumer within the gates of their parks.

Yeah, I'm not sure if other people had been kicked out in the past. But, I think Jim's solution of making the CDs is a good one. The bottom line is that Jim has some great stories about the parks that don't fit in with the "Disney Version" and it would be a shame if they weren't being told. Obviously, to hear them in the park and around the areas that Jim is talking about is the best way to experience them, and I think that regardless of what happend this weekend, those stories will continue to be told.

Lastly, my use of "goof" was directed at JH not being sure who was on the tour. I would assume if you charge for the tour, you should be sure everyone paid for the tour. If he would have done a quick 'head check' then the tours may still be going. He could have told the '3 women' they were in the wrong place and then they wouldn't have complained.

Well, yeah, maybe Jim should have counted heads. But, hindsight is 20/20. I'm sure he would have counted heads if he knew this was going to happen. But, he runs the tours pretty informally and if people happen to over hear stuf, he's not going to shoo them away. But, maybe he will from now on.

 

[wannab@dis]

I'll give credit where credit is due. Your responses have been better than I would have expected given your past posting history.

Now, here is my problem with JHM... You say Jim was trying to be humorous. I say, show me. You bring out a couple of sentences that are out of context. Let's look at the whole context.

Needless to say, I was somewhat surprised by this reaction. As were the 10 or so people who were taking my 2 o'clock tour and watching all of this unfold from 5 feet away. I mean, yes, the JHM Disneyland tour does contain a few juicy stories. Which is why Chuck Oberleitner once called it "The 'E' True Hollywood version of Disneyland's history." But is that really reason enough to shut the tour down? To be honest, I'm not sure. I can't help but think that the First Amendment sort-of, kind-of covers this issue. The right to tell somewhat embarassing stories about the Mouse. That's somewhere in the Constitution ... isn't it?

Well, that's clearly not how Disneyland Security sees it. The next thing I know, I've got an Anaheim police detective advising me that -- should I decide to continue with my tour -- the park's security staff could have me escorted off property. Worse yet, they could have me arrested. Which -- to my way of thinking, anyway -- wasn't exactly the best way to end my day at "The Happiest Place on Earth."

Now, to me, Jim just doesn't get the point that the 1st Amendment has nothing to do with this issue. Disney has every right to control what goes on within their parks.


This is a typical example of JHM. It waffles along a line of credibility and tabloid. You're quick to point out that he was being humorous, but it's not really clear. Nothing about the articles at JHM are ever clear. You always leave wiggle room so you can attempt to placate all sides. I guess it's a good business decision, but to me, it keeps me from respecting your work. If you truly believe this is a 1st amendmant issue, say so and stand behind it. If not, don't mention it.

 

[wannab@dis]

... I occasionally get carried away when people insult the work that Jim and I do. ....

You are putting your work out in front of people as a media outlet. Therefore, you should be aware that not everyone will accept it the way you hope. If that happens, try to learn why and maybe make some changes. If you don't want to change, then accept it as something that you can't control and move on.

 

[CoryMitchell]

If you truly believe this is a 1st amendmant issue, say so and stand behind it. If not, don't mention it.

First, I don't think it's a first amendmant issue. But, that's me, not Jim. If you want to know if Jim was joking or was serious I suggest you e-mail him and ask him. I can't speak for his opinion.

Well..as far as the tabloid thing goes. I think that rep comes from the fact that when we cover certain news stories he leaves wiggle room becuase its a business of rumors and you run into bad sources and all kinds of whack jobs that would love to ruin you. So, I think it's in Jim's best interest to leave wiggle room. But, when he has a solid source, he's pretty solid in his dedication to the news. I feel he was solid on the news about Song of the South coming to DVD.
But, I think that if you look at the content of our site, you'll find that what you would refer to as the "tabloid news" makes up less than 50% of our content. Most of what Jim writes about on the site is actually historically based articles on attractions and parks that never got built.

 

[wannab@dis]

But, I think that if you look at the content of our site, you'll find that what you would refer to as the "tabloid news" makes up less than 50% of our content. Most of what Jim writes about on the site is actually historically based articles on attractions and parks that never got built.

I've looked at the site and have given it several chances to win me over as a fan. But, so far, I've failed to make the leap. I even tried to do selective reading, but alas, I picked the wrong articles.

 

[mkt]

I'm sorry, but I think this is hilarious...

 

[CoryMitchell]

I'm sorry, but I think this is hilarious...

I've spoken with Jim over the phone this morning and while he isn't totally thrilledwith the situation, I think you'll be happy to know that he finds it somewhat amusing as well.

 

[wdwmagic]

Although that is funny, you guys are a little harsh on Jim... I remember when I first joind the board in '02, Jim Hill was a recommended site to visit. Ever since the Grizz incident, people are always so negative...

The site has never been a recommended site to visit on WDWMAGIC. It may have been recommended by an individual, but certainly not by WDWMAGIC.

 

[Hakunamatata]

The site has never been a recommended site to visit on WDWMAGIC. It may have been recommended by an individual, but certainly not by WDWMAGIC.

Pretty much puts a stop to all that rubish....

 

[n8patrick]

Wow, I'm new to this site, so maybe I'll get my head bit off, but Wannab, you sound like the one that is the "elitist" here. And I have only read a few of your posts. Anyway, I just found it rediculous how childish this battle on this thread sounds. Pretty sad that that happened with Jim Hill, but I do agree that Disney has the right to kick him out. Although I think he wasn't being as serious as you are making him sound about the 1st ammendment right issue (wannab), I think the point is that the reason the security guys kicked him out didn't sound like it was because of him doing the tour, but because of what he was actually saying on the tour. Which if it were actually something bad about Disney, like something that is going to seriously hurt their reputation more then it is already hurt by its own people (cough*Eisner*cough), then I can see why they wanted him out. Otherwise, I think they should have kicked him out on the basis of him charging for these unofficial tours without permission, at least that is what I gather he does.
Just my 3 cents worth. Hope this introduction of me to these forums doesn't gain a bunch of enemies from you veterans with your thousands of posts, wow - how do you find the time for all of those, what do you do for work?!

 

[wannab@dis]

Wow, I'm new to this site, so maybe I'll get my head bit off, but Wannab, you sound like the one that is the "elitist" here. And I have only read a few of your posts. Anyway, I just found it rediculous how childish this battle on this thread sounds. Pretty sad that that happened with Jim Hill, but I do agree that Disney has the right to kick him out. Although I think he wasn't being as serious as you are making him sound about the 1st ammendment right issue (wannab), I think the point is that the reason the security guys kicked him out didn't sound like it was because of him doing the tour, but because of what he was actually saying on the tour. Which if it were actually something bad about Disney, like something that is going to seriously hurt their reputation more then it is already hurt by its own people (cough*Eisner*cough), then I can see why they wanted him out. Otherwise, I think they should have kicked him out on the basis of him charging for these unofficial tours without permission, at least that is what I gather he does.
Just my 3 cents worth. Hope this introduction of me to these forums doesn't gain a bunch of enemies from you veterans with your thousands of posts, wow - how do you find the time for all of those, what do you do for work?!

Hey! welcome to the site! hmm... have we met before? Your post seems familiar. Oh well, probably just a little deja-vous.

Elitist... where did that come from? I don't believe it's been mentioned in the thread, so I don't know how to respond. I, like you, am entitled to my opinions and whether you agree, or not, doesn't bother me.

In your post, you say it's not a 1st Amendment issue, but the next sentence, you mention the security folks kicked him out "because of what he was actually saying on the tour". If you read JH's article, he brings up the 1st Amendment issue, not me. Also, I agree that he should be kicked out for getting paid to do a tour on property. Seems like enough reason to me. All in all, I'm not sure why you are upset. It appears that we agree on most points.

Well, except the elitist and childish parts.