Is this really a service dog?

correcaminos

Well-Known Member
People are using the excuse that their pet is an "emotional support" animal in apartments so that the pet fee is waved, which can be hundreds of dollars. This guy that used to work at the place that I do came right out and said that he was doing that. No shame. He said he got some "certificate" online that his new puppy was an support animal and gave it to the apartment complex. Why they would accept that is beyond me. This is the new saving money scam.
Like I said I don't get it. It's hardly good for anything really outside of housing. You pay for that certificate only to save a little or be allowed a pet. Not really worth much.
 

jloucks

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People are using the excuse that their pet is an "emotional support" animal in apartments so that the pet fee is waved, which can be hundreds of dollars. This guy that used to work at the place that I do came right out and said that he was doing that. No shame. He said he got some "certificate" online that his new puppy was an support animal and gave it to the apartment complex. Why they would accept that is beyond me. This is the new saving money scam.

Wow! I'd like to say I don't believe it. But, I do.

Pretty darn good scam honestly. Near impossible to get caught.

Money talks. It's the lawsuits and this sort of thing that will eventually get rid of scam service/support dogs.
 

jloucks

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Whatever law or regulation government passes with the right indention in todays society there are far too many people who will do whatever they can to circumvent the law for their own benefit. Unfortunately this includes bogus services/support dogs.

I want to like people, I really do, but it is getting harder and harder. It is not just the law they circumvent either. They will circumvent courtesy and decency too, if it benefits them.
 

Club Cooloholic

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My money is on the owners of this dog self trained, and bought a vest on Amazon.


This also supports my assertion that only certain breeds of dogs should be valid service (or even support) animals, and that self training without certification should be outlawed.

The silver lining here is now we are talking big money lawsuits, which will get the attention of lawmakers. We may finally see some adjustment to the overly restrictive ADAA laws.

IMHO
I had a neighbor who got into a debate with me about pit bulls. I said I did not understand this lustful defense for them, there are a lot of great dogs out there that happen to not be bred for fighting and they need homes too. I get there are good pits, but too many stories of supposedly good ones going off.
 
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Club Cooloholic

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I have to disagree with the notion that there is ever a need for an "emotional support dog." How is it that people managed to live generation after generation without an "emotional support dog" and then suddenly they show up as if they are some basic need of people. If people truly feel they can't walk out of their own house without Fido then those people are mentally ill and need to see a psychiatrist that can put them on some drugs or offer them some sort of treatment, but if an "emotional support dog" is anything it is nothing more than an enabling device for their mental illness. But honestly I think 99% of these people are no more sick than anyone else, they are just con-artists gaming the systems so they can bring along a dog on a plane without paying, or go on trips without having to pay for a kennel for the dog while they are away.
We agree again. What is the difference between saying you need an emotional support animal and needing your husband or your mother? Should they fly free too? Its nuts. And I will go out and say it, if you're under such emotional distress you need one of these animals, is WDW really the place to go? Hell I find it stressful THINKING about it, and I am not even there. WDW is many wonderful things, but stress free it is not.
 
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jaklgreen

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Like I said I don't get it. It's hardly good for anything really outside of housing. You pay for that certificate only to save a little or be allowed a pet. Not really worth much.

It's a mental issue. These are their BABIES! They need them to go everywhere with them. They are putting their own selfish needs ahead of not only other people, but ahead of what is good for their animal. Untrained dogs should not be put in those situations. Reasonable people see this, but you can't fix stupid. This new breed of humanity is beyond selfish and entitled and the rest of us are just crazy and out to get them. The whole "don't judge me" trend now is toxic. We need for there to be judgment for a healthy society, otherwise you get this. This out of control, people doing whatever they want to the detriment of others.
 
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thomas998

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I agree that it would be nice if there was some way we could have owners prove their dog was a real service dog without hurting those with disabilities, but i believe the reason we can't currently ask for proof is because of how limiting it could potentially be. Imagibe if the certificate, license, vest, or other form of proof somehow got lost or destroyed. If the dog was was medically needed, this may mean the owner couldn't go out in public until the teplacement came in. So, I understand why right now no proof is required.

Also, if i remember correctly, emotional support animals are not protected by the ADA. Meaning businesses actually can refuse them entry.
How exactly is an owner going to lose the little vest for their dog? If they are out with the dog it would be on the dog, if they are at home then it shouldn't be lost in the owners house, unless maybe the owner lives in one of those horder type houses in which case maybe the need to stay home and do a little cleaning before worrying about leaving the house.
 

Shouldigo12

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How exactly is an owner going to lose the little vest for their dog? If they are out with the dog it would be on the dog, if they are at home then it shouldn't be lost in the owners house, unless maybe the owner lives in one of those horder type houses in which case maybe the need to stay home and do a little cleaning before worrying about leaving the house.
Because things happen? It was a completely hypothetical situation I came up with as a possible reason for why there would be a reluctance to require disabled people with service dogs to carry around proof any time they want to go out.
 

thomas998

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My friend was like, I’ll just get my mom to sign so I can get an emotional support cat pass. (Mom is a psychologist)
Oh I'm aware you have doctor with no morals.. but that can be dealt with just like it has been dealt with when you are an airline pilot. Airline pilots have to get a doctor to sign off you their medical clearance and it can't be your mom or dad that happens to be a doctor it has to be one from a list of doctors that have already been screened to weed out the bad seeds.

Of course the other problem no psychologist should ever be allowed to sign off on anything, require a board certified psychiatrist and eliminate the quasi-quacks... that change alone would probably cut the number of people getting "official paperwork" for thier animals by 90%.
 

jloucks

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Because things happen? It was a completely hypothetical situation I came up with as a possible reason for why there would be a reluctance to require disabled people with service dogs to carry around proof any time they want to go out.

No different really than losing your handicapped parking permit. You get another one.

The silver lining here is that legit dogs and owners are pretty easy to detect without the need to see certificates. Like, with surprisingly high accuracy. No red flags, no spontaneous audit needed.

You have a (well behaved, non-geriatric) lab, a golden, various herding/working dogs, you could much more safely assume a legit dog and blow off an audit.

But you try to bring a chihuahua, pit, pug, wiener, or any non-ideal breed on a plane (or anywhere), and you're gonna get audited.

Hint: almost all of these are amazon vested, home trained, pets being declared legit because reasons.
 

Shouldigo12

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No different really than losing your handicapped parking permit. You get another one.

The silver lining here is that legit dogs and owners are pretty easy to detect without the need to see certificates. Like, with surprisingly high accuracy. No red flags, no spontaneous audit needed.

You have a (well behaved, non-geriatric) lab, a golden, various herding/working dogs, you could much more safely assume a legit dog and blow off an audit.

But you try to bring a chihuahua, pit, pug, wiener, or any non-ideal breed on a plane (or anywhere), and you're gonna get audited.

Hint: almost all of these are amazon vested, home trained, pets being declared legit because reasons.
Yes, you could get another one. But imagine being someone who needs a service dog for something like detecting seizures. If you lost the proof (which, yes, would be irresponsible, but again things can happen), would you feel comfortable going out knowong you couldn't bring your service dog with you? You can still park your car if you don't have a handicapped pass. Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree things would be better if proof was needed for people claiming their dog is a service dog. I get a little tired of seeing all of the Chihuahuas people bring into the grocery store I work because they claim they have to. But, I can see why people would be reluctant to make that happen.
 

thomas998

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Yes, you could get another one. But imagine being someone who needs a service dog for something like detecting seizures. If you lost the proof (which, yes, would be irresponsible, but again things can happen), would you feel comfortable going out knowong you couldn't bring your service dog with you? You can still park your car if you don't have a handicapped pass. Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree things would be better if proof was needed for people claiming their dog is a service dog. I get a little tired of seeing all of the Chihuahuas people bring into the grocery store I work because they claim they have to. But, I can see why people would be reluctant to make that happen.
I would like to know what pray tell did someone do about seizures before these so called service animals? Frankly I don't see how having a service animal before a seizure does anything. The animal isn't going to be able to catch you when you fall, so what exactly is the point other than another excuse for someone to take free pet on a plane.
 

Paper straw fan

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I saw some lady trying to bring a puppy (likely pit mix or something) into Publix the other day, it was just all over the place, like a puppy usually is. They quickly shut that down and got her out.

I love my dog, but there’s places I know she doesn’t belong. Theme parks are only above like Michael Vick’s house as far as places I’d want to take her.
 

correcaminos

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It's a mental issue. These are their BABIES! They need them to go everywhere with them. They are putting their own selfish needs ahead of not only other people, but ahead of what is good for their animal. Untrained dogs should not be put in those situations. Reasonable people see this, but you can't fix stupid. This new breed of humanity is beyond selfish and entitled and the rest of us are just crazy and out to get them. The whole "don't judge me" trend now is toxic. We need for there to be judgment for a healthy society, otherwise you get this. This out of control, people doing whatever they want to the detriment of others.
Yes, I get the mentality. But ESAs are not protected by anything other than housing. They can be denied by any business without issue.

I wholeheartedly agree about the selfishness and how bad this gets. I just think they are in for a big surprise if they pay money to get a certificate thinking it'll let them take their dog anywhere.


Crazy poodle lady was there again. She was back at the Figment bathrooms, dang near having her own meet and greet.
Really? I hoped she'd be banned everywhere by now.
 

Incomudro

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How exactly is an owner going to lose the little vest for their dog? If they are out with the dog it would be on the dog, if they are at home then it shouldn't be lost in the owners house, unless maybe the owner lives in one of those horder type houses in which case maybe the need to stay home and do a little cleaning before worrying about leaving the house.

I have a suspicion that many of the types of people who fake their pets as service dogs are also the hoarder types. ;)
 

Incomudro

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Yes, you could get another one. But imagine being someone who needs a service dog for something like detecting seizures. If you lost the proof (which, yes, would be irresponsible, but again things can happen), would you feel comfortable going out knowong you couldn't bring your service dog with you? You can still park your car if you don't have a handicapped pass. Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree things would be better if proof was needed for people claiming their dog is a service dog. I get a little tired of seeing all of the Chihuahuas people bring into the grocery store I work because they claim they have to. But, I can see why people would be reluctant to make that happen.

You could apply that logic to handicap parking passes, driver's licenses etc.
With the exception of an actual seeing eye dog - none of these situation puts the person who may lose such documentation in immediate peril.
Go online, make a phone call...
 

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