Is this really a service dog?

jaklgreen

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Does Disney have a "No Dogs Allowed on Property" rule (except service dogs), or are they just not allowed in the parks and resort buildings? For example, if a local (or someone staying off-property in a pet friendly hotel) wants to take a stroll on the boardwalk with their dog, is that allowed? What about if someone is visiting a friend staying at a resort, can they bring their dog to visit? I tried to find an answer to these questions on the website, but couldn't find any info.

Only service dogs are allowed free reign of the property. The resorts that allow dogs only allow those from guest staying there that have shown proof of vaccination, etc. No dogs(except service) allowed at Disney Springs. I would image the boardwalk is the same as Disney Springs. Even though this past year has allowed dogs at certain resort does not mean they are now free to go everywhere. What a nightmare Disney Springs would be on a busy weekend night if locals started bring their dogs too.
 

Genie_naughty_whispers

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I have a service trained / emotional support dog and he doesn't wear a vest also you can't legally kick any dog out or ask for id you will be sued and arrested if you kick any dog out of Publix supermarket even if it not wearing a vest it's a no go. 1. What is an emotional support animal (also called "assistance animal")?
An emotional support animal is not a pet. An emotional support animal is a companion animal that provides therapeutic benefit to an individual with a mental or psychiatric disability. The person seeking the emotional support animal must have a verifiable disability (the reason cannot just be a need for companionship). The animal is viewed as a "reasonable accommodation" under the Fair Housing Amendments Act of 1988 (FHA or FHAct) to those housing communities that have a "no pets" rule. In other words, just as a wheelchair provides a person with a physical limitation the equal opportunity to use and enjoy a dwelling, an emotional support animal provides a person with a mental or psychiatric disability the same opportunity to live independently. Most times, an emotional support animal will be seen as a reasonable accommodation for a person with such a disability. Failure to make reasonable accommodations by changing rules or policies can be a violation of the FHA unless the accommodation would be an undue financial burden on the landlord or cause a fundamental alteration to the premises.

The United States Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) uses the term "assistance animal" to cover any animal that works, provides assistance, or performs tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability, or provides emotional support that alleviates one or more identified symptoms or effects of a person's disability. (FHEO Notice: FHEO-2013-01 at page 2). An emotional support animal is one type of assistance animal allowed as a reasonable accommodation to a residence with a "no pets" rule.



2. What is the difference between a service animal and an emotional support animal?
Service animals are defined as dogs that are individually trained to do work or perform tasks for people with disabilities. These tasks can include things like pulling a wheelchair, guiding a person who is visually impaired, alerting a person who is having a seizure, or even calming a person who suffers from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. The tasks a service dog can perform are not limited to this list. However, the work or task a service dog does must be directly related to the person's disability. Service dogs may accompany persons with disabilities into places that the public normally goes. This includes state and local government buildings, businesses open to the public, public transportation, and non-profit organizations open to the public. The law that allows a trained service dog to accompany a person with a disability is the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).

An emotional support animal is an animal (typically a dog or cat though this can include other species) that provides a therapeutic benefit to its owner through companionship. The animal provides emotional support and comfort to individuals with psychiatric disabilities and other mental impairments. The animal is not specifically trained to perform tasks for a person who suffers from emotional disabilities. Unlike a service animal, an emotional support animal is not granted access to places of public accommodation. Under the federal Fair Housing Act (FHA), an emotional support animal is viewed as a "reasonable accommodation" in a housing unit that has a "no pets" rule for its residents.



3. Does an emotional support animal need specialized training?
HUD defines an emotional support animal as an animal that "provides emotional support that alleviates one or more identified symptoms or effects of a person's disability." (FHEO Notice: FHEO-2013-01 at page 2). These animals do not need specialized training. In fact, HUD states that, "[f]or purposes of reasonable accommodation requests, neither the FHA nor Section 504 requires an assistance animal to be individually trained or certified." (FHEO Notice: FHEO-2013-01 at page 2). While training is not required for an assistance animal, one court has stated that an assistance animal must facilitate the disabled person's ability to function.



4. Does the Fair Housing Act (FHA) apply to all housing?
The Fair Housing Act (FHA) does apply to almost all housing types including those for sale or rent. This includes apartments, condominiums, and single family homes. There are some major exceptions, such as buildings with four or fewer units where the landlord lives in one of the units. The law also excludes private owners of single-family housing sold or rented without the use of a broker (who do not own more than three single family home) and housing operated by organizations and private clubs that limit occupancy to members. For more on what the FHAct covers, go

The FHA would then cover homes in a planned community with a "no pets" restriction, owned or rented condominiums with a "no pets" covenant, and apartments with a "no pets" clause in the lease. As long as those housing units do not fall within listed exceptions, landlords or housing associations must comply with the FHA.



5. What does a housing provider or landlord consider when a request for an emotional support animal/assistance animal is made?
There are only two questions that HUD says a housing provider should consider with a request for an assistance animal as a reasonable accommodation:

(1) Does the person seeking to use and live with the animal have a disability — i.e., a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities?

(2) Does the person making the request have a disability-related need for an assistance animal? In other words, does the animal work, provide assistance, perform tasks or services for the benefit of a person with a disability, or provide emotional support that alleviates one or more of the identified symptoms or effects of a person's existing disability?

(FHEO Notice: FHEO-2013-01 at page 2). A "no" answer to either of the questions means that a housing provider is not obligated to make a reasonable accommodation according to HUD. This may mean that the person does not meet the definition of disability or that the assistance animal does not help with symptoms of the disability. If the answer is "yes" to both, then HUD states the FHA requires an exception to a "no pets" rule. Note that many courts have considered this issue of the "nexus" or connection between the assistance animal and its ability to reduce the effects of the person's disability. The emotional support animal must alleviate some symptom(s) of the disability.



6. What documentation do I need to provide to have an emotional support animal/assistance animal?
If a person needs an emotional support animal to help alleviate the symptoms of a disability, he or she must first make the request to his or her landlord. HUD states the following in its FHEO Notice: "Housing providers may ask individuals who have disabilities that are not readily apparent or known to the provider to submit reliable documentation of a disability and their disability-related need for an assistance animal." (FHEO Notice: FHEO-2013-01 at page 3). Most sources indicate that the request should be in writing and explain how the reasonable accommodation helps or mitigates symptoms of the disability. While the tenant or owner does not need to disclose the disability, he or she will need to provide documentation from a doctor or other health professional. According to HUD, a physician, psychiatrist, social worker, or other mental health professional can provide documentation that the animal provides emotional support that alleviates one or more of the identified symptoms or effects of an existing disability. (FHEO Notice: FHEO-2013-01).

The documentation is typically a note from his or her doctor. This link from the Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law provides guidance on this exact issue. If you go to page six of the pdf link, there Such a letter would be the way a person could verify the need for an emotional support animal with his or her landlord.



7. Can a landlord or housing provider ask details about my disability?
While a landlord or housing provider may ask for documentation of the disability-related need for the assistance animal, he or she may NOT ask for personal medical details. HUD states that a housing provider "may not ask an applicant or tenant to provide access to medical records or medical providers or provide detailed or extensive information or documentation of a person's physical or mental impairments." (FHEO Notice: FHEO-2013-01 at page 4).



8. Can a landlord or housing provider delay granting my request for an emotional support animal/assistance animal?
This is a difficult question to answer that will depend on the circumstances of an individual request. HUD specifically says that "[a] request for a reasonable accommodation may not be . . . unreasonably delayed." (FHEO Notice: FHEO-2013-01 at page 4). There is no specific time period given in which a request must be granted. In one case, a condominium association requested detailed information and submitted continuous inquiries into the tenant's medical history over the course of many months. The court found that the delay resulted in a "constructive denial" of the disability accommodation request for his assistance animal. This means that the condo did not outright deny the request, but that their actions could be interpreted as a denial.

To my knowledge FHA doesn’t include hotels. So it’s a moot point to bring it up. The main law here is the ADA which does not recognize emotional support animals. Unfortunately the ADA is written like garbage and this allows people with ESA or just a pet owner to slap a vest on and go anywhere including WDW. It’s shameful to do this because it gives people that actually need REAL service dogs a bad rap. Even vets suffering from PTSD and other emotional problems are provided SERVICE dogs! Not ESA! ESA shouldn’t be a thing, if someone truly has debilitating emotional distress they need a service dog, end of story. And ESA and straight up fraud animals shouldn’t be allowed at the Disney Parks, and frankly with the money Disney has they should ask. Yeah they might get sued by a legit service dog owner but once they make it clear we aren’t tolerating fakes or ESA, I’m guessing most service dogs owners would be on board.(also if you have an ESA or a fake you have no grounds to sue them on, even if you try you will lose, see ADA)
 

NormC

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Vests are meaningless and not required and once people stop giving them weight they won't be used anymore. Unfortunately people think vests are a real requirement and indicator of a legitimate service dog. It is not.
 

crxbrett

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jyan

New Member
I have an emotional support dog. They have a reason... I see a psychiatrist once a month and a therapist weekly. You have to have a signed letter from a doctor regarding your ESA dog that is no more than a year old and have to present that. It's easy to buy the vests online but if you do get stopped I have the letter to prove that having an ESA will have a positive impact on my mental health.
 

thomas998

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If I get doctors note saying my kids provide emotional support, or ones husband or mother, can they get into the Magic Kingdom free?
I wish someone would do this and then sue them when Disney ways no.... I would love for someone to push this until the government steps in and stops the service dog, emotional support animal nonsense. Their are legit reasons for a service animal but they need to be spelled out and defined by the law so there is no ambiguity and then to make is even easier every service animal that gets covered by the law needs to have a government issued tag that anyone can quickly see to verify it is real. For the love of god, if you want handicapped parking you have to have a hang tag or license plate so it isn't like getting a service animal a special tag would be any more onerous than a hang tag and it would quickly limit the number of people just using the laws to scam businesses.

Frankly Maybe all you need to do is have your little kids wear a service animal vest and keep them on a leesh.... technically humans are animals so maybe a vest is all that's needed and when Disney say no just sue them and try to force this system to get fixed.
 

jyan

New Member
If I get doctors note saying my kids provide emotional support, or ones husband or mother, can they get into the Magic Kingdom free?
We should all get matching vests! And frankly, what is the deal with people bringing dogs in? I would love to see dogs in the park. Sorry you all don't love animals but if you go in December, you'll see mine!
 

NormC

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We should all get matching vests! And frankly, what is the deal with people bringing dogs in? I would love to see dogs in the park. Sorry you all don't love animals but if you go in December, you'll see mine!
Only Service Animals are officially allowed in the park. ESA are not but you might get lucky and have a CM that doesn't want to question you.
 

Club Cooloholic

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We should all get matching vests! And frankly, what is the deal with people bringing dogs in? I would love to see dogs in the park. Sorry you all don't love animals but if you go in December, you'll see mine!
Oh others and I love animals just a theme park is not the place for them. I have an adorable pug but she should not be walking with me in MK, peeing on the street etc. Some people have a severe dog fear. And I respect that. Also ever go to a dog park, there is always some idiot that let's his dog run over everyone else, no control, your seeing more of that.
If someone has a handicap, totally makes sense for them to have their dog but otherwise why?
 
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Smiley/OCD

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Oh others ans I love animals just antheme park is not the place for them. I have an adorable pug but she should not be walking with me in MK, peeing on the street etc. Some people have a severe dog fear. And I respect that. Also ever go to a dog park, there is always some idiot that let's his dog run over everyone else. Both control, your seeing more of that.
If someone has a handicap, totally makes sense for them to have their dog but otherwise why?



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jyan

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Oh others and I love animals just a theme park is not the place for them. I have an adorable pug but she should not be walking with me in MK, peeing on the street etc. Some people have a severe dog fear. And I respect that. Also ever go to a dog park, there is always some idiot that let's his dog run over everyone else. Both control, your seeing more of that.
If someone has a handicap, totally makes sense for them to have their dog but otherwise why?

That's true I don't NEED to bring her in the park. But she does provide me a service. And it's unfortunate if people do bring in untrained dogs. But mental health stability is just as important as any physical disability. She's not there to play, comfort or scare others, she is there for me. I still don't understand the animosity though. It's not hurting anyone but the person who owns the dog not allowing them to be brought with them wherever. Especially if the dog is fully vaccinated (which is necessary), potty trained, wearing the proper gear to tell others not to engage and a letter from a doctor.

But just my opinion. I'm not Disney so if they say only service then is what it is.
 

NormC

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That's true I don't NEED to bring her in the park. But she does provide me a service. And it's unfortunate if people do bring in untrained dogs. But mental health stability is just as important as any physical disability. She's not there to play, comfort or scare others, she is there for me. I still don't understand the animosity though. It's not hurting anyone but the person who owns the dog not allowing them to be brought with them wherever. Especially if the dog is fully vaccinated (which is necessary), potty trained, wearing the proper gear to tell others not to engage and a letter from a doctor.

But just my opinion. I'm not Disney so if they say only service then is what it is.

There is no proper gear. A vest or jacket is not a legitimate requirement of a true service animal. That is simply an option used to show people you have a working dog. They are meaningless though as you can buy them on Amazon and eBay and put them on any dog. An ESA is not considered a service animal by the ADA and they set the rules which Disney chooses to follow. I am glad she makes you feel better and there is an onsite kennel you can board her in and some of the hotels will allow her to stay with you.
 

jaklgreen

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If I get doctors note saying my kids provide emotional support, or ones husband or mother, can they get into the Magic Kingdom free?

Hahahaha, that was funny. I actually laughed out loud when I read it. We all feel better with our pets. That is the whole reason we get pets. This whole emotion support thing is the new ridiculous fad. All of a sudden all of these people can't function in life without a dog to walk around with them. I am sure there is a small few, like war survivors with PTSD, that the dogs really help with. But the general public that just think their normal life is so horrible are just looking for attention.
 

KBLovedDisney

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Hahahaha, that was funny. I actually laughed out loud when I read it. We all feel better with our pets. That is the whole reason we get pets. This whole emotion support thing is the new ridiculous fad. All of a sudden all of these people can't function in life without a dog to walk around with them. I am sure there is a small few, like war survivors with PTSD, that the dogs really help with. But the general public that just think their normal life is so horrible are just looking for attention.
Excluding war survivors with PTSD, haven't those people ever heard of security blankets? I mean, I used to always have to wear a jacket to feel secure...and now I always wear a sports coat. Oh my god. I turned into Linus.
 

jaklgreen

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We should all get matching vests! And frankly, what is the deal with people bringing dogs in? I would love to see dogs in the park. Sorry you all don't love animals but if you go in December, you'll see mine!

Emotional support animals are NOT covered under the ADA. You should know this if you have one. Any place that does not allow animals can refuse you entrance with it. ADA covers only TRAINED service animals that provide a specific service, not just because they make you feel happier. That is great that your dog makes you feel better. But do not bring an animal into such and over stimulating environment unless they are trained to deal with the crowds and smells and noises that are at the extreme like at WDW, otherwise that is just cruel to the animal.
 

jaklgreen

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Excluding war survivors with PTSD, haven't those people ever heard of security blankets? I mean, I used to always have to wear a jacket to feel secure...and now I always wear a sports coat. Oh my god. I turned into Linus.

Well if a trained killer who gets skittish at loud sudden noises gets calmed down by their dog, then I say let them have it.
 

Brad Bishop

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I would also point out that if this was in fact an ESA dog then it should not have a 'Service Dog' vest on it, there are ESA vests. Now that I think about it. I'm kinda glad I didn't see this in person. There are too many people that slap a service dog vest on their dog at Disney and call it a day.

I wouldn't blame the people so much as the government, well, and the people -overall- for supporting it, and the ADA bill from the early 1990s. It did a lot of damage.

Before businesses actually did have handicap spaces and they gauged them to the handicap people visiting their business. Now we have large portions of a parking lot, which we all still pay for through increased prices, so that virtually no one parks there. Further, consider the handicap person rolling up to a Walmart or Mall or whatever.. It feels good for the rest of us to have them park close but what do you think is happening as soon as they enter those doors?? They're traversing the same huge mall/big store the rest of us are!

I could say the same thing about service animals before the ADA. You'd see the odd person with a service animal and, the majority of the time, people understood. Now? You can get your pet snake to be a service animal just because you're afraid to answer the phone (no.. I'm not kidding).

Government screwed this up with a "feel-good" law instead of just letting people/individuals work it out for themselves.

Consider all of the sidewalks that have to be sloped on the corners for wheelchairs that you never see using them. The last I heard those sloped corners were about $10K/pop.

Consider the harm it does to someone who is handicap but can't get a job because they could, even if they weren't going to - the risk is still there, require the business to pay $100Ks for special equipment.

Also consider all of the motels/hotels a few years back who were mandated to put in $20K lifts at the side of ever pool and hot tub just in case.

Look - I don't want these folks to have a bad time and, at the same time, I think it could be handled without legislation and if you got rid of government as the middle man then suddenly Disney is able to make reasonable choices about what is a legitimate service animal and what isn't. At the same time, you'll probably have a lot less people bucking the system just because they can.
 

THE 1HAPPY HAUNT

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But back in the day when people didn't think they had the "right" to take their pets everywhere it was a good indicator that it was really a service dog - not a pet that the owner wants to take everywhere. When we had a dog, we boarded him if we had to fly anywhere. We would only have considered taking him if we were going to be gone more than a week or two. We were quite capable of living without him for a week.

Do I love my pets? Of course. Do I miss them when I'm away? Of course. Do I want to inflict them on other people who may not be as comfortable with them - be it allergies, fears, or just don"t like animals? NO
I Think I just fell in love with you lol
 

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