Is the reign of Micheal Eisner under appreciated?

Is Micheal Eisner under appreciated?


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menamechris

Well-Known Member
To name a few: Successful theme parks (see: California Adventure, Walt Disney Studios) profitable and favorable movies, namely in the animation department (see: Home on the Range, Brother Bear, Chicken Little) oh, and the successes he did deliver on were far from being to his credit. Did you know he wanted to change Depp's character in PotC for being too flamboyant, and risked being perceived as a "gay" character? Did you know he declared Lost and Finding Nemo flops before even being released and even fired some of the people responsible for Lost's pilot. Oh, did I mention his passing on a Lord of the Rings feature film? And need I remind anyone how he failed to keep the most loyal of people in the company or do we need to relive how he made the board of directors vote for the rule that no member can be allowed above the age of 73, which just so happened to be Roy Disney's age at the time?

I am aware of some of your points, but....we need to be fair. As a head of a company, you don't become a psychic. Disney has not had a world-wide blockbuster movie in a long time, with a few exceptions. And why do a few box office flops cancel out the enormity of Little Mermaid, Lion King, Aladdin, etc? That's really not fair, imo. You can't get a home run every time - even when you are Disney. We are still seeing that now...

As far as the Lost situation....ok - what is ABC doing now? And who do we torch for that? If not for Dancing With the Stars, the network would be fighting NBC for lowest network. And quite frankly, I watched all seasons of Lost - I now wish he had fired them all.... :wave:
 

DisneyFan 2000

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I am aware of some of your points, but....we need to be fair. As a head of a company, you don't become a psychic. Disney has not had a world-wide blockbuster movie in a long time, with a few exceptions. And why do a few box office flops cancel out the enormity of Little Mermaid, Lion King, Aladdin, etc? That's really not fair, imo. You can't get a home run every time - even when you are Disney. We are still seeing that now...
Yeah except I equally credit Wells in the success for the movies you've stated.

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s far as the Lost situation....ok - what is ABC doing now? And who do we torch for that? If not for Dancing With the Stars, the network would be fighting NBC for lowest network. And quite frankly, I watched all seasons of Lost - I now wish he had fired them all.... :wave:
OK, now that is a WHOLE other debate. :lol:
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
You missed out another option.

For his first decade, Eisner AND WELLS turned the company around.

After that he collapsed into his own ego.
 

misterID

Well-Known Member
I like how you shrug off points that you brought up. In your earlier post you mentioned that Eisner "never had the hands on involvement that Walt had and keeping the good guys around." I pointed out that Walt actually didn't have that skill either and now you say it's irrelavent? How is it irrelevent when it was Eisner's ego that lead to his demise? They both were very similar in terms of personality traits, so to say it was his ego and need to ultimate control over everything was Eisner's problem, it was Walt's too.

I'm not sure why you deleted it from your post but you keep mentioning the employee's that "didn't walk out on Walt because they had no choice as they were under contract with Universal." However those employees were asked to signed with Universal and were given better pay to entice them away, they had a choice (I believe Ub was the only to remain). But I am referring to many MANY more employees throughout the history of the Disney Company under Walt's reign that left the company, or were fired, or repositioned because of run ins with Walt and his desire for ultimate power.

And no offense to your father, but his retelling of events is no better than biographies or interviews of the whole ordeal. If your father or anything he knew that worked with Eisner got burned once, of course they would recall him as being a horrible person, much like if someone (like Iger) who benefited from decisions made by Eisner, I'm sure he would recall his leadership as being great for the most part.

Sounds like you need to expand your readings to include arguments and observations from both sides, not just go off of the recollection of your father.

No, this has nothing to do with second hand recollections from my father. I was there. I didn't have the personal relationships he did. And there wasn't any hostility. Eisner wanted my father to work for Disney, but I'm not getting into that. But it's not anything being recounted to me.

I deleted it because I wasn't sure you were talking about the "looney toon" guys, but since you are, they did not work for Disney studios, there was no studio yet. They worked for another producer who had them under contract. And sure animators left, but it's not the same as forcing out Katzenberg (the guy who was responsible for all those "Eisner" blockbusters like Lion King and Little Mermaid) and instead of making him president of Disney, like he was supposed to, he puts in Ovitz. That wouldn't have happened if Wells were alive. Comparing losing some animators to the guy who started Dreamworks, Disney's direct competition, and created huge blockbusters for another company are totally different.

And I didn't bring up Walt or Eisner's personalities. Didn't think it was relevant. I did at the end there and I shouldn't have. But everyone has their own hang ups, quirks and flaws. I wasn't calling either the "bad guy" and the other the "good guy."

Walt was a control freak, perfectionist, probably abrassive, like other guys like himself, ie Ted Turner, Howard Hughes, etc... They all share certain traits. What I'm saying is that Eisner is not in the same league as those men. He was not a creative force, no matter who's ego was bigger.

I'm answering the question that based on the team Eisner had around him when he started and how he ran things at the end of his run, considering his success and his failure, I can't give him the credit that you obviously do. Nothing personal. When he had someone there to keep him in check, he succeeded, when he didn't, he failed. Those men, Wells and Katzenberg were responsible for Eisner's success. And if we're giving credit to the guy who puts the great minds in their positions as the guy who deserves credit... All the credit should go to Roy E. Disney then, who put Eisner and Wells in place. Without those guys Eisner peppered Disney with people who didn't belong there, and made very bad decisions.
 

Jimmy Thick

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
.....And once again Mr. Thick has a heated debate going. Good job.... instigator :) :)

Iam the Michael Eisner of this board...

People on this board love to live in their own version of Fantasyland, they just have to get called out now and then, thats when I just have to get involved.

Until I start 3 weeks of 12 hour shifts...





Jimmy Thick- World of Warcraft time...
 

cowanfamily

Well-Known Member
I gotta give it ti Jimmy.....He may be the driving force behind the forum.
This is the first descent discussion on this board in weeks!

I may have to change my vote!
 

Krack

Active Member
* 1984 to 1993 - Eisner & Wells start running the company - every move Disney makes seems to work out perfectly

* 1994 - Wells dies

* 1994 to 2005 - Eisner still running the company - Disney makes series of bad decisions on top of bad decisions

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Everybody can feel free to form their own conclusions, I know who I give the credit to. Anybody who wants to learn more about the dynamics at the time should read "Keys to the Kingdom" by Kim Masters; it's the best book on Eisner-era Disney I've ever read.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I'm speaking specifically of the theme parks. Two things that Eisner did after Wells that were the cruise lines and the purchase of ABC/ESPN. I also give Eisner credit for saving Disney Animation. But 95% of everything that has happened in the theme parks division since Wells' death has been awful. After Walt died, Disney lost its way. When wells was hired, he was the soul of the company. Since his death, the company has gotten away from what it does best and lost its way again; particularly in the parks.
 

britdaw

Well-Known Member
People can say what they want about Michael Eisner, but honestly, he built Disney into what it is today. Think about all the blockbuster movies and things like the Wonderful World of Disney that we had when he was running the place. People may not like his style of leading, but he did what was necessary to make Disney into a multi-billion dollar corporation.
 

fractal

Well-Known Member
Love him or hate him, without Eisner Disney would now be a subsidiary of some other media company. As a subsidiary the ONLY thing that would matter would be profits. Currently, the Parks division is under much less presurre because of strong cash flow from other areas such as film/Pixar and ESPN.
 

bjlc57

Well-Known Member
the triumberant of Wells, Katzenburg, and Eisner was the BOMB..

Wells dies, and Eisner, in his GROWING EGO, doesn't put Katzenburg in his place..

end of story.. end of Disney expansion.. end of foresight.. Bring in the bean counters..

and everything grinds to a halt.. a major halt.. stuff that was on the boards, just minutes from being green lit, died with Frank Wells..

from what I hear here, there was stuff that HAD THE GREEN LIGHT.. the big go ahead, all died with Frank Wells..

and Eisners' over blown ego.. I did a 14 page research paper on Eisner for my business class in college..

He had it all.. and he let his ego get in the way of being one of the greatess businessmen of all time..

right now we all should be marching up and down Main street USA, singing his name.. and since you had to bring up the thread, it just tells you where Eisner is to this day.. No man's land..

off everyone's radar..

and just waiting to be put in a box and buried..


had he made the "correct moves" , ONE he still would be attached to Disney..

two.. he would be one of the richest men in America..

three , He would be speaking all the time on Business success, and no one would be talking about Trump..

four.. we wouldn't need to have this thread or this discussion..



since there was the NEED for the thread, answers all questions..

the man was on the brink of climbing Everest..of planting the FLAG.. of HERO STATUS, instead he is still falling into a crevice of his own making and its a long way down..


think about this, Disney would be the owner and the "developer " of all the DREAM WORKS concepts.. instead they are at their most vigorous competitor..

No way would Katzenburg allowed Harry Potter to go over to the competition..

no stinking way.. They would have built a whole park, or a major, MAJOR part of a park for HP.. look what they did to keep Winne the Poo..

lets put it this way, if Eisner had made the right moves, back then,, today, Universal would be Disney Worlds' over flow right now..

and while that last statement is a reach.. the rest of my post is not..


Eisner had it all and screwed it up..
 

Jimmy Thick

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
http://www.slate.com/id/2116794/


How Did Michael Eisner Make Disney Profitable?


Q. "How's your wife?"
A. "Compared to what?"
—Henny Youngman routine

What is the proper measure of a Hollywood mogul? For entertainment reporters, it's often a mogul's personal behavior. The more incidents of arrogance and insensitivity they uncover, the more they assume that a mogul is an ineffective leader. During the contentious period surrounding Michael Eisner's announcement that he was resigning from Disney, a frenzy of items appeared, casting him as a villain worthy of one of his animated hits. It will be recalled that Eisner alienated a host of would-be moguls—including Jeffrey Katzenberg (whom he called a "midget"), Michael Ovitz (whom he called a "psychopath"), Roy Disney (whom he kicked off the board), and Harvey Weinstein (whom he forced out of Miramax). These men, by one means or another, yielded an El Dorado of gotcha items to the press. What was lost in this morality tale was the story of Eisner's transformation of Disney. He turned a faltering animation-and-amusement-park company into one of the world's most successful purveyors of home entertainment. He'll depart as Disney's CEO quietly on Friday, without a gold watch ceremony. The lack of fanfare seems to mark him as a man who failed and sullied the good name of Mickey. But if you look at Eisner's metrics—the numbers that Wall Street believes are unambiguous indicators of a company's performance—Disney boomed under Eisner.


Eisner's Metrics, which are all public numbers:
Category 1984 2004 Percent change Disney's Revenues$1.5 billion $30.8 billion +2,000 Disney's Income $294 million $4.49 billion +1,600 Disney's Tax-Free Cash Flow $100 million $2.9 billion +2,900 Stock Price (adjusted for splits)$1.33 $28.40 +2,100Market Value $1.9 billion $57.4 billion +3,000 Disney's Enterprise Value
(market value plus debt minus cash)

$2.8 billion $69 billion +3,200

In 1984, when Eisner took command, the "Mouse House" produced only one animated picture every three to five years. Its entire film library had only 158 features, and its single cable channel, the Disney Channel, lost money. In addition, Disney had virtually no income from sales of videos. To keep afloat, the company depended on its amusement parks and its Mickey Mouse licensing. Yet even with these assets Disney had a tax-free cash flow of just $100 million. Its share price, reflecting this precarious financial position, was $1.33 (adjusted for splits).

In 2005, Disney was one of the richest companies in America. Its enterprise value—Wall street's favored measure of an entertainment company—had increased 32-fold since 1984 and stood at $69 billion. Its tax-free cash flow had increased 29 times, to $2.9 billion. Its film library had grown to 900 features, which were licensed on TV and sold on video and DVD, and its home-entertainment division accounted for nearly one-third of the revenues of the entire industry. Its share price, reflecting this robust health, had risen to $28.25.
Eisner's success becomes even more impressive when compared with his peers. Between 1984 and 2005, TimeWarner wrote off $99.7 billion; Vivendi-Universal, $40.6 billion; Viacom, $21.2 billion; News Corporation, $7.2 billion; and Sony, $2.7 billion. Among the six companies ("the sexopoly") that now dominate the TV industry, Disney alone did not write off any loss during this time.
How did Eisner succeed in adding $65 billion in enterprise value to Disney at a time when his rivals were faltering? Having come from television, Eisner saw that Disney's future would be in home entertainment—not in movie theaters.

Consider just two decisions he made that brought about this corporate transformation. The first came in the mid-'80s. At the time, Disney studio executives (including Katzenberg) were arguing that to release the company's beloved animated movies on video cassette would kill any profits to be made from re-releasing them in theaters. Eisner perceived the situation differently, and he put the videos into stores. Within a few years, video sales were providing almost all the profits for Disney's movie division and, by 2004, Disney raked in $6 billion from videos and DVDs sales.

The second decision came in 1995, when Eisner bought his old alma mater, Capital Cities/ABC, for $19 billion. With this single coup, Disney got not only the ABC network and TV stations, it also got 80 percent of a sports network, ESPN. Since the cable operators needed this sports network to attract subscribers, Disney charged them a "carriage fee" just for the right to intercept its satellite signals. Disney was able to ratchet up this charge, which is effectively a tax on cable households, by 20 percent a year, getting as much as $2 a month for every subscriber signed up by cable operators.

With the success of ESPN, Disney gained such enormous leverage over the entire cable industry that, in 2004, the company earned a record $1.94 billion in bottom-line operating income from its cable channels alone. To put this number in perspective, it was nearly triple the $662 million Disney earned from all its movie production and distribution, stage plays, records and music publishing, television library sales, videos, and even its booming DVDs (which accounted for about 80 percent of the $662 million).

These numbers did not go unnoticed by the fund managers who controlled two-thirds of Disney shares. As it became increasingly clear that Eisner had hit the jackpot with ESPN, these fund managers focused more and more on Eisner's inability to convert the enormous appreciation of Disney's assets into a stock-market payoff. One way to bring about that payoff would be to install new management who were willing to sell assets—even ESPN. Although Disney's shares had increased by 10.6 percent since 2001—which was a better performance than most of Disney's rivals—that was not enough to satisfy investors. In March 2004, 43 percent of shareholders voted to withhold their support from Eisner. This vote further fueled the bad publicity, and Eisner picked Robert Iger to be his successor. Fittingly, Iger headed Disney television, and, when he officially takes over as CEO on Oct. 1, he should continue Disney's transformation into a home-entertainment empire.








Funny, I don't see Frank Wells mentioned once...




Jimmy Thick- when are people going to realize Wells worked FOR Eisner...
 

bjlc57

Well-Known Member
yeah.. why? Eisner and his ego.. that's why..


the purchase of ABC was in the works before Wells died.. this is not something that happens in a day or a week or a month.. but a year of planning..

So suddenly, the TV show buys the channel instead of the other way around.. because that's , what in fact, happened..

the Wonderful World of Disney.. which started on ABC and moved networks, at least once, ends up buying ABC.. and ESPN..


so you can say.. "EISNER Bought ABC.." but in truth, that decision was made long before Wells died.. because you had to look at stocks, stock options, stock holders, available cash... outstanding debt, and cash potential..

numerous things.. not counting, the now Disney anchor, the Walt Disney World , its cash inflow.. AND ITS LAND VALUE. Right now.. and even more back then, the Disney World land Value, developed and undeveloped, makes the franchise worth so much more then you can possibly see..

that's how Wells and Eisner bought ABC.. they owned the GROUND.. and it's value was increasing at an increasing rate.. at least back then..

so while Eisner, was the figure head, it was a lot deeper then Eisner that made that purchase available.. Oh and back then.. NBC was the power house and ABC was struggling..

none of this would have happened had Walt not had the foresight to buy a bunch of Orange groves, just like he did before, for next to nothing at first..

the last acres are always the most expensive..

and Eisner got to reap what Walt Sowed..
 

devoy1701

Well-Known Member
yeah.. why? Eisner and his ego.. that's why..


the purchase of ABC was in the works before Wells died.. this is not something that happens in a day or a week or a month.. but a year of planning..

So suddenly, the TV show buys the channel instead of the other way around.. because that's , what in fact, happened..

the Wonderful World of Disney.. which started on ABC and moved networks, at least once, ends up buying ABC.. and ESPN..


so you can say.. "EISNER Bought ABC.." but in truth, that decision was made long before Wells died.. because you had to look at stocks, stock options, stock holders, available cash... outstanding debt, and cash potential..

numerous things.. not counting, the now Disney anchor, the Walt Disney World , its cash inflow.. AND ITS LAND VALUE. Right now.. and even more back then, the Disney World land Value, developed and undeveloped, makes the franchise worth so much more then you can possibly see..

that's how Wells and Eisner bought ABC.. they owned the GROUND.. and it's value was increasing at an increasing rate.. at least back then..

so while Eisner, was the figure head, it was a lot deeper then Eisner that made that purchase available.. Oh and back then.. NBC was the power house and ABC was struggling..

none of this would have happened had Walt not had the foresight to buy a bunch of Orange groves, just like he did before, for next to nothing at first..

the last acres are always the most expensive..

and Eisner got to reap what Walt Sowed..


the credit for the successes of ANY corporation ALWAYS goes to the CEO.

I don't see what the problem is here. :shrug:
 

bjlc57

Well-Known Member
if Eisner was "the hero" we wouldn't be talking about this thread..

we would ALREADY KNOW..

obviously.. that's not the case..

and just by his leaving and his dropping off the face of the earth, say so..

Sorry..

but Eisner screwed up, and he and everyone else knows it..

other wise his name would be on the tip of every tounge in the business world.

and we would be singing his praises here on a daily basis..

and there would be stuff named for him in Disney World.. it wouldn't be a streach to know about Michael Eisner.. and his accomplishments..
 

bjlc57

Well-Known Member
and I want to tell you one important thing..

finally, I am going to let you in on a little secret..

Michael Eisner WAS MY HERO. was..

I am telling you the absolute truth.. I really admired and followed the guy.. He was the kind of guy that I wanted to be.. to work with.. to be associated with..

I have read numerous Disney books.. and watched his arrival and rise to fame..

but he did it with a triumberant.. with Wells and Katzenburg.. they were the handshake boys.. they knew every name, and never missed a handshake..

they greeted every one.. put the lowest person on a pedestal.. made them feel important.. took every idea.. listened to every one.. Just Like Walt did..


and gave every one merit.. and credit.. and it was a three headed team, that WORKED..

but it all ended on a mountain top.. and then the decisions that came thereafter ..


and that's immediately , when I stopped, and saw that my idol, had feet of clay.. and an ego the size of the world showcase.. and was becoming someone who I didn't want to be with..


and that's how I feel to this day..

and I am not alone..
 

menamechris

Well-Known Member
if Eisner was "the hero" we wouldn't be talking about this thread..

we would ALREADY KNOW..


and there would be stuff named for him in Disney World.. it wouldn't be a streach to know about Michael Eisner.. and his accomplishments..

These things usually happen after a tragic death at the height of popularity - or death in general. In 20 years who knows how Eisner will be perceived. We are too close to it right now. And of course, there is always the possibility of someone WORSE coming into power. How would we look at Eisner then - if someone literally came in and cash out on the Disney brand? Things can ALWAYS get worse....and we can't assume they never will.
 

raven

Well-Known Member
Gonna have to go with a fat "NO" on this one. I was personally effected by some of his decisions (selling off of the Disney Store). Also the whole Celebration thing didn't go over well with me. They worked that hard to make that place, even if it was a small version of what Walt actually wanted, then sold it. Several other things made me come to this conclusion as well. He did good for most of his time in the company but toward the end he was all about himself.
 
We visited regularly during the Eisner years and then had a break of eight years toward the end of his reign, when we came back we were shocked at how the place had been let go.
 

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