Is the clock ticking on the Sorcerer Mickey Hat icon at the Studios? YES!

PhotoDave219

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Oh, totally agree. What's frustrating is that 1) it was allowed to get to this point in conjunction with Epcot nearing the same state and 2) the clip at which they're closing things that may or may not need to be to facilitate the work being done.

BLT closing was a huge need in moving the park forward, one we've clamored for for years. Closing Idol, may or may not have been necessary other than cost savings. Closing Sparrow feels unfortunate given the small footprint it takes up if work isn't set to start right away. It was hokey, but it killed 20 minutes and ate people.

I honestly don't think anything else can close without something coming online without the park being unacceptable as a destination - especially LMA and Indy. Those EAT people and without them those people have no where to go. The fact GMR had 60+ waits both in August and October when we visited is telling as compared to every other visit since 2005 when it was 10-15 at most.

But yes, this is a necessary outcome to fix a major problem. Frankly, all of WDW is in this state. I have NEVER seen so many construction walls all over WDW at one time. We can complain a lot around here, but the reality is, WDW is putting more into the parks now than I can ever remember (outside of opening a new theme park entirely).

Epcot is nowhere near the state of DHS. Nowhere.
 

Next Big Thing

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That's actually a really good idea…
It is, I just don't know how you would market it. Hero's Duty is a game within a Movie. If you didn't see Wreck-it Ralph, you'd have no idea what Hero's Duty is.

Also, as I said in my other posts the ride would need to be totally redone, not just a retheme. New cars, removable guns, much more of an experience like MIB than what is currently in place.
 

Phil12

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But that shows how bad of a condition DHS is in because Epcot is on the verge. World showcase is fine (as long as they get the entertainment figured out), but Future World needs an incredible amount of help.
As most psychics know, predicting the future is very difficult. Disney really needs to get out of that business and change Future World to Progress Land.
 

ProfSavage

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As most psychics know, predicting the future is very difficult. Disney really needs to get out of that business and change Future World to Progress Land.

You know... Changing "Future World" to "Progress City" may work... The different pavilions could be showcases for companies and different institutions in Progress City.
 

doctornick

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But that shows how bad of a condition DHS is in because Epcot is on the verge. World showcase is fine (as long as they get the entertainment figured out), but Future World needs an incredible amount of help.

I'm so sorry, but the hyperbole over Epcot's current condition on these pages is just so silly. We can all lament the loss of direction and discordant attractions and such, but the reality is that there is plenty to do for a full day or days at the park for any guest. Future World alone has almost twice as many rides as all of DHS and has additional attractions beyond that.

Would Epcot benefit from some additional attractions and some uniformity of theme/ideals in Future World? Absolutely. Is it falling apart such that guests would so up there and be bored after spending a few hours? Absolutely not. Epcot still has a heck of a lot going for it, even if we can criticize its fall from its peak.
 

ProfSavage

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I'm so sorry, but the hyperbole over Epcot's current condition on these pages is just so silly. We can all lament the loss of direction and discordant attractions and such, but the reality is that there is plenty to do for a full day or days at the park for any guest. Future World alone has almost twice as many rides as all of DHS and has additional attractions beyond that.

Would Epcot benefit from some additional attractions and some uniformity of theme/ideals in Future World? Absolutely. Is it falling apart such that guests would so up there and be bored after spending a few hours? Absolutely not. Epcot still has a heck of a lot going for it, even if we can criticize its fall from its peak.

Thank you.
 

Next Big Thing

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I'm so sorry, but the hyperbole over Epcot's current condition on these pages is just so silly. We can all lament the loss of direction and discordant attractions and such, but the reality is that there is plenty to do for a full day or days at the park for any guest. Future World alone has almost twice as many rides as all of DHS and has additional attractions beyond that.

Would Epcot benefit from some additional attractions and some uniformity of theme/ideals in Future World? Absolutely. Is it falling apart such that guests would so up there and be bored after spending a few hours? Absolutely not. Epcot still has a heck of a lot going for it, even if we can criticize its fall from its peak.
Just because there is plenty to do doesn't mean it is all good. Journey and UoE are two major pavillions that need help, Wonders has been stolen for events only and M:S could be so much more. An entire Space pavilion would fit Epcot much better. Not even saying get ride of M:S, i'm saying EXPANSION. You know, a word that has been foreign to Epcot since 1989.
 

BrerJon

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It is, I just don't know how you would market it. Hero's Duty is a game within a Movie. If you didn't see Wreck-it Ralph, you'd have no idea what Hero's Duty is.

It's also a parody of Call of Duty, not the most family friendly game series, so I'm sure there would be complaints.
 

Next Big Thing

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It's also a parody of Call of Duty, not the most family friendly game series, so I'm sure there would be complaints.
I honestly don't see that as a problem. A shooter ride is a shooter ride is a shooter ride. Unless you were shooting to kill people and there was some gory blood effect (which let's be honest, neither would EVER happen), I don't see how it's really something to complain about.
 

Phil12

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I honestly don't see that as a problem. A shooter ride is a shooter ride is a shooter ride. Unless you were shooting to kill people and there was some gory blood effect (which let's be honest, neither would EVER happen), I don't see how it's really something to complain about.
Oh I don't know. After all it's family friendly now a days to shoot "walkers" (i.e. zombies) and I think most parents would encourage their children to learn those skills at a young age.
 

Next Big Thing

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No it isn't.
Epcot isn't in as dire of a situation and has just enough rides and seasonal events to make people forget about it's short comings.

However, if they don't act soon, the park will soon be in a very similar situation to DHS. I don't think anything could possibly be as bad as what DHS had become, but, Epcot needs some major help. I honestly don't even think $1B is enough right now.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Epcot is a real mess right now. I agree with Martin with his comments (which he also mentioned in his last trip report), it needs help just as much if not even moreso than DHS or AK. No one dares even go near the toxic current version of Imagination for starters, giving it a good overhaul would have been a good start and bought them some time had they not canned the project. Not to mention the upstairs. Nemo doesn't seem to be motivating many people to visit Living Seas. Test Track still feels like driving through an empty warehouse (albeit a neon warehouse) and the glorified spinner that is Mission Space seems to have waned in popularity over the years. Soarin still draws a consistently massive line both due to popularity and poor efficiency, the film however is very poor quality and is well over due for an update (I don't dislike this sim but it's in very poor condition). This past month I stepped inside the Wonders of Life pavilion for the first time since the mid 90's, it's incredibly depressing and shameful seeing what it has become (and even the ceiling looked like it has sustained water damage from a leaky roof). Innoventions is a woefully outdated mess as well, and with tons of empty space they're not even using. Universe of Energy needs some work too.

Spaceship Earth still at least gets a good constant stream of people. Rarely backs up into a long line but it has the capacity and efficiency to mostly prevent this anyways. It's ironically probably in the best physical condition of Future World's rides (the figures all move well and all the effects i'm aware of were functioning as intended), but even there it still has an empty unfinished descent and poor quality narration. Living With the Land also doesn't get long lines, but there's at least also a good constant stream of people who ride it. Unfortunately maintenance is very poor on this ride, most if not all animatronics were either non moving or only slight movement earlier this month when I visited (and the climate controlling doors to the greenhouse weren't working).

Maelstrom is getting replaced with a cheaply done Frozen ride. Ignoring the many discussed issues with the idea, this won't truly add a ride to the park but will just make lines all the more long over there. I rode it once more while still there and it was also in very poor condition maintenance wise. It's sad to realize that World Showcase hasn't gotten an expansion in over 25 years. And the only "expansion" to Future World in 25 years was Soarin.

With the exception of the Backlot Tour, DHS has not been ruined to the extent that EPCOT was. It unquestionably needs massive help, but i'd still say EPCOT needs it more. In the past 20 years, DHS got Tower of Terror, RnRC, Toy Story Mania (which I don't like but it's easy for me to ignore as it didn't ruin the park for me like EPCOT's post 1994 changes) and a very well done upgrade for Star Tours. And despite the Disneyland version being better, Fantasmic was another generally well liked addition to the park (I kind of enjoy it even, though it needs major improvement). Of incredibly important attractions, EPCOT has gotten the most damage and the least amount of improvement since the 90's of (i'd say) all the WDW parks. It probably wouldn't take too much to fix up DHS to reach the same level of quality it had during the early-mid 90's. But EPCOT has been ravaged in every possible way, it would be an immense undertaking and massive amount of cash to get it even near the level it was before the mid 90's, let alone make it better. I don't disagree DHS needs help, but I think EPCOT needs it far more really.
 
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