Is Disney World Safe

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
ummm - like the rifle that killed Kennedy?

I'll reiterate... I don't think we have a firearms problem in America. I think we have a Mental Illness problem in America. We can go after the guns - and a week later, we'll get a maniac with an axe (happened in Scotland) - or a maniac with fertilizer and diesel fuel (happened in the US). It may very well be time to regulate certain PEOPLE as a statistical threat, if we truely want that level of Government Judgement in exchange for increased safety.

The Dunblane school massacre was carried out by a gun wielding headbanger and led to our current laws. It is true that Glasgow has the highest murder rate per head of population in the developed world. Just think what it would be like if the neds had access to guns.

But as you are wedded to weaponry you just have to live with all the associated collateral it brings. You cant wish them as Geddy once sang.
 

luv

Well-Known Member
Really... all the damage of 9/11 was done with simple pocket knives? You guys are smart, I think you can reason out what I was trying to say.
Honestly, I didn't know what you were "trying to say", either. I read what you said and had pretty much the same reaction. If you were "trying to say" something else, what was it? Just say that. Help us out, huh?
 

PhotoDave219

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Im assuming he meant something along the lines of "crazy people will do crazy things with whatever they can get their hands on..."

That being said, you run a far greater risk of injury (or worse) traveling to and from WDW than anything that would be likely to happen while you're here. The chances of something very bad happening (ala Newtown) are remote.
 

thomas998

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I understand what you are saying. Hide or Flee. Fleeeeeeeee

I sat on our BOE as we remodeled our elementary school buildings for fire code changes and we added in ourselves individual lock down areas shortly after 9/11. We moved lockers to line classroom walls and have steel doors that can't be unlocked from the hallway in the event of an emergency. We changed the outside windows and now have emergency windows for escape that push out like in trains and buses. We did an excellent job in 2 of the 3 schools for this type of an escape. The 3rd being a 3 story building, a challenge. That building our engineers were very creative for the lock down emergency. All of our rooms also have a panic button that auto dials the police and fire department. Every kid knows to slap it. And thankfully nobody in 10 years has had to slap it. Blessed.

I hope the lock down areas use windowless doors. Too often I have seen schools that have nice thick heavy door with locks, but also have a window that could easily be shot out and someone's hand reach in to unlock the door.
 

DABIGCHEEZ

Well-Known Member
Well, box cutters aren't too far off.

Honestly, I didn't know what you were "trying to say", either. I read what you said and had pretty much the same reaction. If you were "trying to say" something else, what was it? Just say that. Help us out, huh?

OK... my original statement(reply) was saying that a little more that box cutter or pocket knives were involved in the tragic events of 9/11. And to say that pocket knives caused 9/11 was idiotic... I stand by that. Alot more was involved than just pocket knives. That is all I was saying... there I had to explain it for you. But really I thought most could figure it out.

Really... all the damage of 9/11 was done with simple pocket knives? You guys are smart, I think you can reason out what I was trying to say.

This statement was more of a rhetorical question, that apparently wasn't clear or some do not really know the answer to it.
 

DABIGCHEEZ

Well-Known Member
Exactly, which is why I laugh at all of these gun control zealots.

These events will not be stopped by gun control, I agree. This problem is a mental health problem. We do not properly care for the mentally unstable in this country...that is the issue here.

My other point is that if a company is going to provide security... be through and consistent. That is the problem I have... at WDW, many hospitals that are customers of mine, and any other "open" target.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
I hope the lock down areas use windowless doors. Too often I have seen schools that have nice thick heavy door with locks, but also have a window that could easily be shot out and someone's hand reach in to unlock the door.

We did it right! The door doesn't have windows. The glass, opposite of the bolt side is narrow slat of glass similar to what is at police departments with metal strips, it isn't going anywhere. We needed to have glass narrow enough not to let any pass through but for principals to be able to peek through during her rounds during the day. School is as secure as possible, or so we pray.
 

thomas998

Well-Known Member
We did it right! The door doesn't have windows. The glass, opposite of the bolt side is narrow slat of glass similar to what is at police departments with metal strips, it isn't going anywhere. We needed to have glass narrow enough not to let any pass through but for principals to be able to peek through during her rounds during the day. School is as secure as possible, or so we pray.

Then the only real danger is that a teacher or student does off the deep end and take a gun to school... that is the only problem with a truly secure safe room - what if the nut job is inside and the victims are trapped.
 

Tom

Beta Return
I believe this is a great statement....

"I think having access to planes was probably the more important aspect of that tragedy."

True. We need to ban planes. Hey wait a minute... we almost HAVE :(. This is the road we will walk down as we ban every instrument that a maniac can use, rather than going after the maniac. Interestingly, they tend to use all the stuff WE use (awkward).

Right. A rare incident happens....let's take away more freedoms instead of looking into the real root of the problem.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Then the only real danger is that a teacher or student does off the deep end and take a gun to school... that is the only problem with a truly secure safe room - what if the nut job is inside and the victims are trapped.

We secured the best we could and above and beyond the norm. Nothing is absolute. At some point you have to decide if you are going to live in fear and fear everyone. I'm not one to do that.
 

thomas998

Well-Known Member
Right. A rare incident happens....let's take away more freedoms instead of looking into the real root of the problem.
I am simply in awe of the way the media tends to focus so squarely on the guns instead of the mentally ill... Yet when a drunk driver crashes into a school bus killing just as many kids they don't focus on alcohol, or pick-up trucks... instead the media focuses on school buses not being safe enough and drunk drivers not getting punished severely enough... Go figure.
 

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