Is Disney World Safe

[Taylor]

Are you sure gun regulation is the main factor and not population size/density, average income level or some other factor? I'm guessing there isn't one factor alone.

No there isn't. But think about this if you wanted to go on a rampage would you do it knowing 10 other people have guns

 

[PUSH]

I'm Canadian so all the talk of people carrying concealed weapons with permits is really a foreign concept to me. The thought of random people carrying guns with the attitude of - I don't care what the rules are I like guns and I will carry them wherever I like - makes me scared. To think that people who have no respect for rules and an inflated sense of entitlement, carry weapons designed to kill is just terrifying, mind boggling and unnecessary.

No one will ever convince me that American gun laws are reasonable so I guess I'm not really looking for "reasons", just chiming in as a Disney guest how scary it is that people can walk in with guns. People with any type of mental condition, prejudices or just having a crappy day have enough power stuffed in their pockets to murder dozens (hundreds?) of people.

I am saddened when we have an episode of gun violence in Canada but the 100 or so people that die here in a year compared to the 10,000 to 20,000 in the US make me grateful that we respect weapons and don't use them as a status symbol, sign of verility, symbol of false patriotism or substitute for reasonable debate.

I welcome any discussion on American gun laws but there is no chance I will ever agree with them. I guess that's one of my prejudices and I doubt it will end today or any other day that innocent people get murdered with legally obtained wepons which is every day in the US. I see gun toting, NRA, "right to bear arms", "pry from my cold dead hands" gun law advocates as people who have such misplaced values that I can't even comprehend their veiwpoint. To me it would be the same as a racist trying to convince me to join the Klan or a homophobe convince me that gays shouldn't have rights - never going to happen. I have drawn the line and I am happy to be on this side of it.

ready for the flames...and the suggestions to never leave Canada...my world travels have taught me that I don't have to love the laws in every country to enjoy the visit though, so I guess I'll still go back to WDW next year.

I agree with you. Too many Americans have the idea that places like Canada, France, the UK, etc are soft and weak because people aren't carrying guns and don't own guns. I'd much rather live in a "soft" country that has limited deaths from guns than a country with numerous deaths.

I live in Wisconsin and the government voted earlier this year to allowed concealed carry. I never have been afraid walking around, but it does make you wonder what would happen if a "crazy" person were to get ticked off.

Wisconsin also voted to allowed the Castle law. The castle law allows people to use force, including force resulting in death, to defend themselves on their own property without being liable for someone's injuries or death. Well, a father heard noises upstairs in his son's bedroom so he got his shotgun and found someone in the room. He shot the person and ended up killing him. Turns out it was his son's best friend going through his CDs. I do not agree with either laws that were passed and think both are stupid.

However I do not live in fear of these laws. Doing that wouldn't be much of a life.

 

[disney fan 13]

and you learned from that and drastically changed the laws of people who get on planes but school children are murdered over and over and over and over and over and over and over and you still don't do anything to make it just a little bit more difficult to obtain weapons.

Fair point, though what I was trying to convey is that if someone really wanted to kill, they could find a way.

 

[Taylor]

and you learned from that and drastically changed the laws of people who get on planes but school children are murdered over and over and over and over and over and over and over and you still don't do anything to make it just a little bit more difficult to obtain weapons.

Connecticut has some of the strictest laws in the country with obtaining guns.bad people will get guns no matter what

 

[Animaniac93-98]

No there isn't. But think about this if you wanted to go on a rampage would you do it knowing 10 other people have guns

I'd probably ask where those poeple are and are their guns with them at the moment? How many school-aged kids own and carry guns with them while in school?

 

[I_heart_Tigger]

However I do not live in fear of these laws. Doing that wouldn't be much of a life.

I agree with all of your post but I really do understand this line especially. Things come to light and it makes me scared but we can't live with fear all the time.

 

[Taylor]

I'd probably ask where those poeple are and are their guns with them at the moment? How many school-aged kids own and carry guns with them while in school?

I don't know that. I can tell you that most Americans use guns for sport

 

[disney fan 13]

Connecticut has some of the strictest laws in the country with obtaining guns.bad people will get guns no matter what

See Mexico.

 

[I_heart_Tigger]

Connecticut has some of the strictest laws in the country with obtaining guns.bad people will get guns no matter what

Yes, perhaps they will but it just seems so often that I hear that 10 or 15 or 20 people died at the hands of a shooter who had "legally obtained weapons". I fully admit I don't know the laws for each state but when I hear this I can't help but wonder, what if he couldn't get weapons so easily - would his plan have been foiled, would he have just decided to kill himself instead, would he have gone through channels which could have gotten him caught before the murder spree happened?

It's the stories of kids shooting kids with Dad's "legal" gun that make me think - well if Dad didn;t have that gun, I can't imagine your average 14 year old knows how to get an illegal weapon.

I realize that wouldn't solve everything but if it saves lives - even just a few - isn't it worth it?

 

[Taylor]

See Mexico.

Exactly a country with stricter laws then Canada and is basically being ran by thugs because they got access to guns and are overpowering and killing innocent civilians

 

[awoogala]

Yes, perhaps they will but it just seems so often that I hear that 10 or 15 or 20 people died at the hands of a shooter who had "legally obtained weapons". I fully admit I don't know the laws for each state but when I hear this I can't help but wonder, what if he couldn't get weapons so easily - would his plan have been foiled, would he have just decided to kill himself instead, would he have gone through channels which could have gotten him caught before the murder spree happened?

It's the stories of kids shooting kids with Dad's "legal" gun that make me think - well if Dad didn;t have that gun, I can't imagine your average 14 year old knows how to get an illegal weapon.

I realize that wouldn't solve everything but if it saves lives - even just a few - isn't it worth it?

 

[PUSH]

Yes, perhaps they will but it just seems so often that I hear that 10 or 15 or 20 people died at the hands of a shooter who had "legally obtained weapons". I fully admit I don't know the laws for each state but when I hear this I can't help but wonder, what if he couldn't get weapons so easily - would his plan have been foiled, would he have just decided to kill himself instead, would he have gone through channels which could have gotten him caught before the murder spree happened?

It's the stories of kids shooting kids with Dad's "legal" gun that make me think - well if Dad didn;t have that gun, I can't imagine your average 14 year old knows how to get an illegal weapon.

I realize that wouldn't solve everything but if it saves lives - even just a few - isn't it worth it?

In the US, since 1982 (or sometime around that date) 75% of the guns used in mass shootings have been obtained legally. A rather sad fact if you ask me.

 

[draybook]

I don't understand "gun control" people at all. Do you honestly think that criminals give a crap about gun laws? We have the Castle doctrine here in Mississippi too. I don't see what that doctrine has to do with that dad shooting his son's friend. It sounds like he would have shot anyways, with an unknown(at the time) person running around his house.

I love the comparison that I saw on on my father's Facebook page. Thousands are killed each year in alcohol related accidents, but we don't ban people from driving cars. So why punish the responsible, honest gun owners because of people who are bound and intent on harming others.

Honestly, I couldn't imagine carrying in any of the parks. Just seems like too much stress about it being seen or something. Hopefully, those who do carry are at least responsible enough to not have a round chambered.

 

[Taylor]

Yes, perhaps they will but it just seems so often that I hear that 10 or 15 or 20 people died at the hands of a shooter who had "legally obtained weapons". I fully admit I don't know the laws for each state but when I hear this I can't help but wonder, what if he couldn't get weapons so easily - would his plan have been foiled, would he have just decided to kill himself instead, would he have gone through channels which could have gotten him caught before the murder spree happened?

It's the stories of kids shooting kids with Dad's "legal" gun that make me think - well if Dad didn;t have that gun, I can't imagine your average 14 year old knows how to get an illegal weapon.

I realize that wouldn't solve everything but if it saves lives - even just a few - isn't it worth it?

I agree. I think there needs to be more education, I took a hunter safety's coarse and there are other gun safety classes available. Instead of limited availability I think there needs to be mandatory safety classes

 

[draybook]

In the US, since 1982 (or sometime around that date) 75% of the guns used in mass shootings have been obtained legally. A rather sad fact if you ask me.

Were they obtained legally by the owners, or by the perpetrators? There's a huge difference. In this case, the guns were TAKEN from his mother's possession following her death.

 

[EOD K9]

...and no one died. That's the difference.

Very true, but there are still whackos out there regardless of method.

 

[disney fan 13]

I agree. I think there needs to be more education, I took a hunter safety's coarse and there are other gun safety classes available. Instead of limited availability I think there needs to be mandatory safety classes

I'd say more phycological testing would be good too.

 

[disney fan 13]

We started out with some good discussions about people actually carrying guns to the parks, but the thread is going downhill fast. It has gotten way too political for my taste and the current discussion probably doesn't fit on a WDW forum. I'm out.

I'm sure it will be closed by the mods in the morning regardless.

 

[Taylor]

I'd say more phycological testing would be good to.

Yeah. That would be tough to do though

 

[PUSH]

I don't understand "gun control" people at all. Do you honestly think that criminals give a crap about gun laws? We have the Castle doctrine here in Mississippi too. I don't see what that doctrine has to do with that dad shooting his son's friend. It sounds like he would have shot anyways, with an unknown(at the time) person running around his house.

I love the comparison that I saw on on my father's Facebook page. Thousands are killed each year in alcohol related accidents, but we don't ban people from driving cars. So why punish the responsible, honest gun owners because of people who are bound and intent on harming others.

Honestly, I couldn't imagine carrying in any of the parks. Just seems like too much stress about it being seen or something. Hopefully, those who do carry are at least responsible enough to not have a round chambered.

With the castle doctrine, the dad might not have shot if the law said that he was liable for the injuries. And the friend was in his son's room looking through CDs, not like he was breaking in and running through his house like a burglar or anything.

I totally see your point of view, but I can't say I agree. I think the law should be tightened a bit more without saying that nobody can have guns. I feel, in Wisconsin at least, that some of the laws we have passed have been done without much thinking and research put into them. All sides of every argument have to sit down and talk and compromise a little.