TaoBoxer
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To be honest, I leave it at the hotel. Though I sometimes carry in DtD, only at night. I couldn't live with myself if something went down & I didn't/couldn't help someone.
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Is Disney World Safe
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EOD K9
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I have carried concealed in the parks several times. I am a Federal Law Enforcement Officer and technically, no one can carry on the property. Its been concealed on my person (not in a bag) and its never been noticied. If they catch you, you can be arrested. They have been known to escort you off property and have Orange or Osceola County Deputies waiting for you. Their K-9 Unit (aka The Nomads) are trained to find guns among other things. Its a touchie thing to bring a sidearm into the parks. I know plenty of civilians that have a concealed carry permit yet their paper targets look like a shotgun blast. Thats in a controlled environment with no one shooting back at you. It is what it is though.
Skibum1970
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I would think that few people would carry in a park. First, if one is flying in, the precautions to transport a gun while flying are a little deterring. Second, I think that it would not make for a comfortable ride with a holster digging in. Third, I can definitely see carrying when at a resort hotel or DTD. Those would be the places for a criminal to try something. Finally, outside of law enforcement officials (see EOD K9 above), people with a carry permit probably do not want to run the risk of ruining a vacation by being kicked off property for carrying.
I would also submit that the chances of a mass shooting anywhere are very low probabilities. When one happens, it seems to trigger a couple copycats but overall these are rare instances. Disney seems to have a problem with sick pedophiles but thankfully not with mass violence. I don't even think about something like that happening at a park, whereas I am cautious when leaving a mall to go to my car. It's not that it can't happen but that it isn't likely.
awoogala
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Just an aside..Disney's policy states that all guns are to be locked at the front desk, not in your hotel room or its safe.
I also thought it would be rare for concealed carry at wdw, but just doing a quick google search brought up dozens of boards where they discussed deep conceal techniques for getting past wdw security.
I_heart_Tigger
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I'm Canadian so all the talk of people carrying concealed weapons with permits is really a foreign concept to me. The thought of random people carrying guns with the attitude of - I don't care what the rules are I like guns and I will carry them wherever I like - makes me scared. To think that people who have no respect for rules and an inflated sense of entitlement, carry weapons designed to kill is just terrifying, mind boggling and unnecessary.
No one will ever convince me that American gun laws are reasonable so I guess I'm not really looking for "reasons", just chiming in as a Disney guest how scary it is that people can walk in with guns. People with any type of mental condition, prejudices or just having a crappy day have enough power stuffed in their pockets to murder dozens (hundreds?) of people.
I am saddened when we have an episode of gun violence in Canada but the 100 or so people that die here in a year compared to the 10,000 to 20,000 in the US make me grateful that we respect weapons and don't use them as a status symbol, sign of verility, symbol of false patriotism or substitute for reasonable debate.
I welcome any discussion on American gun laws but there is no chance I will ever agree with them. I guess that's one of my prejudices and I doubt it will end today or any other day that innocent people get murdered with legally obtained wepons which is every day in the US. I see gun toting, NRA, "right to bear arms", "pry from my cold dead hands" gun law advocates as people who have such misplaced values that I can't even comprehend their veiwpoint. To me it would be the same as a racist trying to convince me to join the Klan or a homophobe convince me that gays shouldn't have rights - never going to happen. I have drawn the line and I am happy to be on this side of it.
ready for the flames...and the suggestions to never leave Canada...my world travels have taught me that I don't have to love the laws in every country to enjoy the visit though, so I guess I'll still go back to WDW next year.
No one will ever convince me that American gun laws are reasonable so I guess I'm not really looking for "reasons", just chiming in as a Disney guest how scary it is that people can walk in with guns. People with any type of mental condition, prejudices or just having a crappy day have enough power stuffed in their pockets to murder dozens (hundreds?) of people.
I am saddened when we have an episode of gun violence in Canada but the 100 or so people that die here in a year compared to the 10,000 to 20,000 in the US make me grateful that we respect weapons and don't use them as a status symbol, sign of verility, symbol of false patriotism or substitute for reasonable debate.
I welcome any discussion on American gun laws but there is no chance I will ever agree with them. I guess that's one of my prejudices and I doubt it will end today or any other day that innocent people get murdered with legally obtained wepons which is every day in the US. I see gun toting, NRA, "right to bear arms", "pry from my cold dead hands" gun law advocates as people who have such misplaced values that I can't even comprehend their veiwpoint. To me it would be the same as a racist trying to convince me to join the Klan or a homophobe convince me that gays shouldn't have rights - never going to happen. I have drawn the line and I am happy to be on this side of it.
ready for the flames...and the suggestions to never leave Canada...my world travels have taught me that I don't have to love the laws in every country to enjoy the visit though, so I guess I'll still go back to WDW next year.
EOD K9
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Many people on those boards can quote you the second half of the Second Amendement, but a lot of them don't know the first part of it. Many of these people are not trained in stress shooting. Its fairly easy to conceal unfortunately. I'm more concerned with people trying to be a hero in those instances. Find cover, and let the pros do their thing. By the way, in China yesterday some nutjob slashed 22 elementary school children with a knife. Its not just guns.
Taylor
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Basically we want to make sure we can protect ourselves if a madman with a gun starts shooting. Evil people would still find ways to arm themselves no matter how the laws are, hey drugs are illegal and people still get those
I_heart_Tigger
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What if you are the madman with the gun? What if you aren't and your aim isn't as great as you think it is and you blow the head off a 4 year old girl? Over two thirds of shootings in the states are with legally obtained weapons. If they weren't as easy to get fewer people would be murdered.
EDIT: As an example in 1996 Australia changed their gun laws. The homicide rate dropped by almost 60%. If changing the gun laws could save up to 12,000 American lives, why wouldn't you want it?
Animaniac93-98
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You may get them, but none from myself who is in the exact same position as you. I'm sure many others who live in Canada or the UK disagree with the US gun culture (or vocal sub-culutre? I doubt everyone in the US thinks this way, but platforms, lobbys and money help to make voices known).
GoofGoof
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I agree with this 100%. Sometimes good intentions lead to tragic results.
draybook
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Also, for the uninformed, check out the countries with high gun ownership and notice their low crime rates. Gun control does NOT stop violence. Murder has been around since day one and always will be.
As for the OP''s question, I don't think any place on Earth is safe. To quote one of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes, "as long as there are men there can be no peace". However, if you run around scared then you might as well be dead already. We are born to die, so enjoy every living moment you can.
As for the OP''s question, I don't think any place on Earth is safe. To quote one of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes, "as long as there are men there can be no peace". However, if you run around scared then you might as well be dead already. We are born to die, so enjoy every living moment you can.
disney fan 13
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I saw this one getting political...
I_heart_Tigger
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...and no one died. That's the difference.
Taylor
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Most of the shooting sprees in the US are in states with strict gun laws the lowest crime rates are in areas with open carry laws. Gun laws here are mainly regulated thourgh state government that's some of the reason why it's tough to get a read on the laws
disneygirl1024
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Unfortunately, we are not safe anywhere anymore. It's a darn shame!
disney fan 13
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And yet America's biggest tragedy, 9/11, was committed by men wielding simple pocket knives...
Animaniac93-98
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Are you sure gun regulation is the main factor and not population size/density, average income level or some other factor? I'm guessing there isn't one factor alone.
I_heart_Tigger
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I admit I have very little knowledge of laws state to state. It is mostly the ease of obtaining weapons that scares me, especially when I hear about the difficulty in obtaining adequate mental health care. I assume most people agree that something is wrong mentally with a person who chooses to shoot children (not saying they are "unable to stand trial" due to their condition, but that they are not like the average citizen).
I don;t know if it's easier state to state to purchase or if people can just travel to another state and get a weapon anyway. The thought of a person being able to obtain an assult rifle but not a psychologist just seems backwards to me.
Animaniac93-98
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I think having access to planes was probably the more important aspect of that tragedy.
I_heart_Tigger
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and you learned from that and drastically changed the laws of people who get on planes but school children are murdered over and over and over and over and over and over and over and you still don't do anything to make it just a little bit more difficult to obtain weapons.