Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It is. But that also makes one wonder if the soft 2024 bookings are rolling into at least early 2025, or if this is something else.

Their promo needs are determined by mid to long range forecasts…always have been. As I stated above…they’ve actually under reacted to this point and should have done more. But that goes against the philosophy of hubris they have sold themselves on

 

[monothingie]

Bounceback offers are now extending into "select dates through 2025."

Take that as you will.

 

[HoustonHorn]

9 months?

The majority of people in Disney parks don’t decide to go 6 weeks out like a fool such as me does…

And it’s proven when Disney looks at longterm forecasts and does things such as this.

I’ll give you other examples:
When they started selling “limited” annual passes in April 2023…it just so happened the exact time their attendance hit the wall. They shoulda done it months before…but the bobs decided to suck up every last drop of that sweet Covid cash first.

Or when they dropped the dumb reservations (mostly) this year…it’s because they couldn’t even con themselves into thinking they could sell that as the drought will continue into at least next year.

But I bet people will return in 2025…gonna be a quiet year in Orlando

Not 9 months. Dates thru October 2025, so 18 months.....

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not 9 months. Dates thru October 2025, so 18 months.....

18 months was traditionally when CRS data was looked at for things like promos. That may have changed/reduced over time…but it’s likely still the ballpark range.

The reality is wdw demand fell in 2023 and continues to be down through 2025. Which means they could see it in likely late 2021 or early 2022.

Trends are trends…things happen. However a decline in attendance without a significant “official” economic recession is something to note.

 

[Tha Realest]

18 months was traditionally when CRS data was looked at for things like promos. That may have changed/reduced over time…but it’s likely still the ballpark range.

The reality is wdw demand fell in 2023 and continues to be down through 2025. Which means they could see it in likely late 2021 or early 2022.

Trends are trends…things happen. However a decline in attendance without a significant “official” economic recession is something to note.

Yeah but it was hot last week.

 

[Trauma]

Yeah but it was hot last week.

Don’t forget that Taylor Swift is now on D+.

Why go to the parks when you can watch that everyday.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And a reminder…sweater Bob and Slaphead where doing speeches in 2017-18 and giving orders down the chain that promos were being phased out and no longer needed…because of the animal magnetism of the “brand”

And people don’t want this guy gone?

Life is short.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Don’t forget that Taylor Swift is now on D+.

Why go to the parks when you can watch that everyday.

…it’s longer than a typical park day

 

[JD80]

Yeah but it was hot last week.

We still making jokes from a year ago about how heat may or may not suppress crowds at parks?

 

[Trauma]

We still making jokes from a year ago about how heat may or may not suppress crowds at parks?

Yes.

Heat and Taylor swift.

The downfall of Disney parks.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

We still making jokes from a year ago about how heat may or may not suppress crowds at parks?

Pathetic excuses never die

 

[Lilofan]

We still making jokes from a year ago about how heat may or may not suppress crowds at parks?

When Iger sees business is cooling , he feels the heat, so the blame is the heat and so on...

 

[Tha Realest]

We still making jokes from a year ago about how heat may or may not suppress crowds at parks?

It was a ridiculous attempt at spin and deserves to be ridiculed.

 

[Lilofan]

It was a ridiculous attempt at spin and deserves to be ridiculed.

CEOs In many industries have a lot of experience in spin and damage control. They know the average attention span of people is 8 seconds. Goldfish have a better attention span.

 

[pigglewiggle]

The heat may have seemed like a silly excuse in the moment, but you can't deny a lot more people are traveling in fall/winter/early spring and leaving the heat of summer behind. I know many people (well, a few) that won't travel to Florida in the heat of the summer anymore. It's too much.

 

[JD80]

The heat may have seemed like a silly excuse in the moment, but you can't deny a lot more people are traveling in fall/winter/early spring and leaving the heat of summer behind. I know many people (well, a few) that won't travel to Florida in the heat of the summer anymore. It's too much.

I know plenty of people who plan around the hottest part of the days or just don't go anywhere during the hottest part of the summer. Extreme temperatures keep people at home or indoors.

 

[CntrlFlPete]

Or when they dropped the dumb reservations (mostly) this year…it’s because they couldn’t even con themselves into thinking they could sell that as the drought will continue into at least next year.

But I bet people will return in 2025…gonna be a quiet year in Orlando

I still have no clue why the RES system is so flaky. 3 passholder family. Decided today to go to AK. Went to book a park....nothing available today.... not a single park open for AP. Decided to check 30 minutes later....now Epcot and Studios were open.....wanted another 15 minutes and all parks were open to book.

Not sure why I checked back (mostly I could not believe that every park had too many APs coming today). Anyway, way too easy to move on a spend money elsewhere when you see you are not wanted today (and tomorrow is good to go) -- but I wanted to spend money today.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I still have no clue why the RES system is so flaky. 3 passholder family. Decided today to go to AK. Went to book a park....nothing available today.... not a single park open for AP. Decided to check 30 minutes later....now Epcot and Studios were open.....wanted another 15 minutes and all parks were open to book.

Not sure why I checked back (mostly I could not believe that every park had too many APs coming today). Anyway, way too easy to move on a spend money elsewhere when you see you are not wanted today (and tomorrow is good to go) -- but I wanted to spend money today.

It’s just about cutting labor down to the penny

They won’t give it up because it implies mistakes were made and that goes against the corporate culture

And of course…bad IT

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I know plenty of people who plan around the hottest part of the days or just don't go anywhere during the hottest part of the summer. Extreme temperatures keep people at home or indoors.

Just stop…of course some people don’t prefer heat. But it doesn’t explain a downturn in attendance when travel is booming otherwise across the board. Is it cold on cruise ships loading record crowds?

It’s Florida…they’ve been there for 51 years…people know the deal for gods sakes

 

[erasure fan1]

Just stop…of course some people don’t prefer heat. But it doesn’t explain a downturn in attendance when travel is booming otherwise across the board. Is it cold on cruise ships loading record crowds?

It’s Florida…they’ve been there for 51 years…people know the deal for gods sakes

Yea, extra hot might make me wait to grocery shop for a day or two, but it's not a factor in a vacation. I've been going to Florida on Vacation in the summer for 40+ years. And it was hot every single one of them. It's really nothing new.