Sirwalterraleigh
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Is attendance really down at WDW this or…
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Table service at resorts compared to parks is like day and night in terms of food, atmosphere , stress level , etc.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Resorts, Epcot, and Disney Springs all have some pretty great restaurants, the other parks are pretty slim pickings though, we love the Liberty Tree Tavern at MK and 50s Primetime at HS but that’s about it, it’s quick service for us the majority of the time in the parks.
We always opt for room discounts over the dining plan, we don’t eat enough to make it worth it
Prime Time is very good , Tune In Lounge was usually packed with many guests escaping the heat cooling down with some cold ones.
MickeyLuv'r
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Definitely. What I was trying to say was that WDW TS meals eat up a good chunk of time. Just the meal itself. Time= $.
On a non-park day, the amount of time might not matter very much. On a park day with G+, the impact is more significant.
Back when WDW prices were more reasonable, I noticed, but I didn't think much about it. Dining was part of the whole vacation.
A few years back, we ate at 'Ohana with an ADR for 6:15pm. I thought that we would be done eating well before 9pm. Nope. Even though we arrived early, we were not even seated until after 6:50pm. Our waitperson did not do a good job. Every course was very slow. At the end of the meal, she did not bring our final bill. We waited and waited... over 25minutes. It was crazy.
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AEfx
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Not to mention the "over it" factor in general, which at least for us has become pretty big, in addition to the cost/time/value proposition.
It used to feel like "well, it's expensive and a chunk of time, but it's all about the experience"...but frankly, even something newish like BoG is one and done, really. It's another place where Disney has just dropped the ball at innovation, when for the most part the most recent best themed restaurants on property are chains created by third parties at Disney Springs.
Innovation? You misspelled "immersive storytelling dining activations".
Can't agree with this more. Just another example of a company that has lost its way in Bob's relentless pursuit of profit.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…absolutely
As far as atmosphere goes…the best new restaurants for me are Enzo’s hideaway, Boathouse and the Edison
Even 220 doesn’t cut it. It’s poorly designed and the smells from the kitchen flood the room. Basically like coral reef/80’s with video screens
…I’d rather see the fish
Sirwalterraleigh
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From LA TIMES article on Disney and parks today:
During the most recent fiscal year, the company’s experiences division — which is heavily anchored by the parks — brought in about 70% of Disney’s operating income, according to a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. By contrast, Disney’s sports sector, including ESPN, contributed 19% of operating income. The entertainment division, consisting of the company’s TV channels, streaming services and movie studios, brought up the rear at 11%.
Those numbers represent a stark contrast from even 10 years ago, when the company was heavily reliant on its TV networks, which brought in 56% of Disney’s operating income (that segment included ESPN at the time). The parks and resorts division drew just 20%.
During the most recent fiscal year, the company’s experiences division — which is heavily anchored by the parks — brought in about 70% of Disney’s operating income, according to a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. By contrast, Disney’s sports sector, including ESPN, contributed 19% of operating income. The entertainment division, consisting of the company’s TV channels, streaming services and movie studios, brought up the rear at 11%.
Those numbers represent a stark contrast from even 10 years ago, when the company was heavily reliant on its TV networks, which brought in 56% of Disney’s operating income (that segment included ESPN at the time). The parks and resorts division drew just 20%.
GhostHost1000
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so....any decline or forecasted decline in park attendance/profits weigh more heavily than before
if only they didn't have to wait ~5 more years for new expansion and attractions to help while Uni opens their new park
Hey now. Bob said that anyone who says they haven't been planning for Epic Universe couldn't be further from the truth.so....any decline or forecasted decline in park attendance/profits weigh more heavily than before
if only they didn't have to wait ~5 more years for new expansion and attractions to help while Uni opens their new park
#IBelieveBob
#SaidNoOne
Sirwalterraleigh
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That basket has too many eggs in it…so....any decline or forecasted decline in park attendance/profits weigh more heavily than before
if only they didn't have to wait ~5 more years for new expansion and attractions to help while Uni opens their new park
And it’s being carried by a clown in big shoes on a unicycle
RoadiJeff
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But you'd pay extra for that experience of having dinner in the kitchen at Victoria and Albert's if you are lucky and get a reservation at the Chef's Table. Prices for their prix-fixe menu are $125 higher than in the main dining room.
70%.
It’s also the most neglected segment of the business.
It’s like Apple no longer caring about the IPhone.
(They still care right?)
Sirwalterraleigh
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Fun fact: Apple really built its wealth on one of its i products…
iTunes.
Tons and tons of fees for what was bought after you got the pod/phone/pad
…which is just how Disney parks work and always have. You get them there and collect high profits off the secondary stuff…you don’t gouge tickets and rooms.
Why? Cause there’s more profit in the other stuff…and happy people buy more. $30 ride skips and 90 minute waits don’t make people happy.
Lets face it the shopping experience has been so homogenized what are you even trying to buy?
Visit one store buy a trinket your done for the trip.
Tha Realest
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Yes. Everything has gotten very generic, or, even worse, the seasonal/celebration items just aren’t that visually appealing
Sirwalterraleigh
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Well that market likely has diminished…
But it’s about margins. That stuff is insanely high and those stores aren’t restocked because they DONT sell stuff.
V_L_Raptor
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So, I live in Tampa, and we would occasionally (mainly before the pandemic, but sparsely now) get billboard advertisements around here for the parks, generally for EPCOT festivals. This evening I saw a billboard advertising Disney AP's for the first time I can remember in quite a while. I couldn't help but wonder if there's a little more desperation to get some AP traffic to bolster attendance and spending. (It's not as though Disney's been careful about how they treat AP's lately, after all.)
If that's even the case, I wonder how much of a dip had to happen to get it.
If that's even the case, I wonder how much of a dip had to happen to get it.
GhostHost1000
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That’s interesting, especially the way Disney shows their love for AP holders and DVC members at times. Maybe they are getting desperate seeing some of the long range trends.
I guess the billboard doesn’t mention AP’s still have to get park reservations though unless it’s designate it as a good-to-go day or unless it’s after 2pm?