Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[UNCgolf]

I don't think Disney should allow people to claim spots well in advance for fireworks viewing (or parade viewing, for that matter). 15-20 minutes, sure, but they should make people move if they're trying to claim space an hour+ in advance.

 

[John park hopper]

I don't think Disney should allow people to claim spots well in advance for fireworks viewing (or parade viewing, for that matter). 15-20 minutes, sure, but they should make people move if they're trying to claim space an hour+ in advance.

I don't think in todays uncivil society that's gonna work. I sure would not want to be the CM telling someone move along --CM's have been punched for less

 

[Lilofan]

I don't think in todays uncivil society that's gonna work. I sure would not want to be the CM telling someone move along --CM's have been punched for less

In a respectful disciplined society mindset in Japan where I visited and like , I could see that bring realistic at TDL. Not in ' Merica.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I figured it was obvious I was referring to regular day tickets, i.e. not upcharge parties, given that that is what was actually offered to regular day-ticket guests not that long ago.

The regular park days have been shortened for two reasons:

1. To “create” demand…aggregate crowds have grown higher over time - as with all travel - needing more hours. They now don’t do it…why?
2. To sell ride skips and after hours…buy your way out of the crowds.


None of this is really in dispute or ingenious.

This is why you have that mob…more than any other Single factor.


People were far too willing to accept the “brave new world” under Iger…
Everyone just LOVED their magic…and now you can’t go back.

I’ll remind Brave New World is a dystopian hellscape…
…I don’t specifically know it was predicting magic kingdom at 9 pm…but it isn’t IMPOSSIBLE

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I don't think Disney should allow people to claim spots well in advance for fireworks viewing (or parade viewing, for that matter). 15-20 minutes, sure, but they should make people move if they're trying to claim space an hour+ in advance.

As long my as they are staying there I don't see an issue - if that is what you want to choose to use your time for you should be able to

What I would like to see stopped is people then pushing (often literally) their way in 10 mins before the show starts and just standing in front of people who had gotten their earlier, people putting kids on shoulder, people holding up iPads, etc

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't think Disney should allow people to claim spots well in advance for fireworks viewing (or parade viewing, for that matter). 15-20 minutes, sure, but they should make people move if they're trying to claim space an hour+ in advance.

That is the single DUMBEST activity I’ve witnessed in 32830…sitting for hours…and I assure you the list is quite long and distinguished…

I take it as a sad overall commentary on the park investment. If they had fleshed out the park as the crowds grew - and the sweatered weasel did not - then people would be doing, riding, eating other things until the fireworks started and then watching.

How can I predict that? Because it’s exactly how it happened the first 35 years of the park.

Why waste time like that when you paid for it? The answer is no because you don’t have acceptable options.

 

[JD80]

People go to MK in the evening just for fireworks. Building more capacity is not going to fix this specific issue.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

People go to MK in the evening just for fireworks. Building more capacity is not going to fix this specific issue.

Well you seem to be new at this…so I’ll explain why

The people there for the whole day aren’t gonna line up at 7 pm…they’d be having fun instead…

The parks were run for decades more efficiently before the weasel showed up. It’s why the recent “awakening” and defections by a substantial part of the audience is so delicious

 

[Lilofan]

People go to MK in the evening just for fireworks. Building more capacity is not going to fix this specific issue.

Well since AK park has in the past operating like banker hours 9-5pm , perhaps some of those guests go to MK for the evening since its too early go call it a night at the resort.

 

[Grimley1968]

I have to admit to being puzzled as to why people would wish to cram themselves into such a tiny space to watch fireworks. It's the only place in the world I can think of where people don't deliberately spread out to watch them, except for stadiums that feature them.

To the extent that WDW has caused such an unnecessary glut in what was for decades a more dispersed (encouraged by WDW) and more enjoyable experience, shame on them. But the best way to get WDW to revert to the previous system is simply to not participate in the current setup. You can go to MK, get a full day in, and then skip the fireworks and escape the hub area before its too late. Sorry, but IMHO there's nothing special about them, even with projections on walls. If fireworks crowds thin, even in the hub, WDW should get the message. Until they thin, WDW will continue to treat guests like lemmings and pack them in with wall projections.

 

[JD80]

Well you seem to be new at this…so I’ll explain why

The people there for the whole day aren’t gonna line up at 7 pm…they’d be having fun instead…

The parks were run for decades more efficiently before the weasel showed up. It’s why the recent “awakening” and defections by a substantial part of the audience is so delicious

People get in line for 60-120 minutes for premiere attractions. People consider HEA premiere entertainment.

Not sure what the confusion is. When a form of entertainment is only available once a day, People will go out of their way to get the best spot regardless of what else is available before and after.

 

[JD80]

I have to admit to being puzzled as to why people would wish to cram themselves into such a tiny space to watch fireworks. It's the only place in the world I can think of where people don't deliberately spread out to watch them, except for stadiums that feature them.

To the extent that WDW has caused such an unnecessary glut in what was for decades a more dispersed (encouraged by WDW) and more enjoyable experience, shame on them. But the best way to get WDW to revert to the previous system is simply to not participate in the current setup. You can go to MK, get a full day in, and then skip the fireworks and escape the hub area before its too late. Sorry, but IMHO there's nothing special about them, even with projections on walls. If fireworks crowds thin, even in the hub, WDW should get the message. Until they thin, WDW will continue to treat guests like lemmings and pack them in with wall projections.

Glad you've decided for everyone in the world what is worthy of their time.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

People get in line for 60-120 minutes for premiere attractions. People consider HEA premiere entertainment.

Not sure what the confusion is. When a form of entertainment is only available once a day, People will go out of their way to get the best spot regardless of what else is available before and after.

Because that is not how the fireworks/parades manifested themselves…but you gotta go back to prior 15 years ago.

That’s also when expansion of ride capacity essentially ceased and average annual clicks escalated from the 45 million range up to and beyond 55 million…

For the history buffs out there. The only things placed in magic kingdom that actually has added capacity since 1985 are the Aladdin spinner, splash (gone) and tron.

Oh…we’ll call little mermaid an “add”…I guess but the math is fuzzy there too

That’s it.

A hell of a coincidence. There was not a “we have to wait or we won’t get our spot…” until that capacity was exceeded and that’s the crux of where they are now…

And of course - the internet and it’s trove of bad advice. Like “get your spot…”. Used to be that only your travel agent gave terrible advice…now it’s “viral”
And fools like trakker promote it

Back to coincidence…
Some people believe in it…I do not.

It’s why I’m so damn chipper

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Glad you've decided for everyone in the world what is worthy of their time.

The wise advise the unwise or yet to be wise…it happens here 1,000 times a day…

More on the box office thread alone

We all have stuff to learn. Some more than others.

 

[Starship824]

Exactly. You can put a giant viewing area with dedicated viewing for fireworks in Frontierland with lights/projections and the hub will still reach capacity. Everybody wants the castle with the fireworks behind it. That's the magic shot, and what a good amount of visitors pay for at the end of the day.

I have a brilliant idea. How about we build a second castle right next door to the original!

 

[JoeCamel]

I have a brilliant idea. How about we build a second castle right next door to the original!

Well yeah, if you can dream it they can do it.......

 

[Trauma]

That is the single DUMBEST activity I’ve witnessed in 32830…sitting for hours…and I assure you the list is quite long and distinguished…

I take it as a sad overall commentary on the park investment. If they had fleshed out the park as the crowds grew - and the sweatered weasel did not - then people would be doing, riding, eating other things until the fireworks started and then watching.

How can I predict that? Because it’s exactly how it happened the first 35 years of the park.

Why waste time like that when you paid for it? The answer is no because you don’t have acceptable options.

Every year we get to our NYE Epcot fireworks viewing spot 5 minutes before it starts.

Why would I want to lose any time from the rest of the activities ?

I think the longest I have ever waited for fireworks might be 15 minutes at MK.

 

[DonniePeverley]

People go to MK in the evening just for fireworks. Building more capacity is not going to fix this specific issue.

We know which picnic loving free loading pass holders love to pack the parks for the fireworks.

 

[DonniePeverley]

Projection working or not the mentality is
Hurry up and wait exercise which is a common item in the military .

We saw the NYE fireworks at Epcot WS by the lagoon getting there by 11pm. We stood next to families that hurry up and wait by them getting to their spot at 1pm and waited until NYE fireworks almost 11 hours later.

I would need evidence to assertain this hyperbolic nonsense is true.

 

[Prince-1]

I would need evidence to assertain this hyperbolic nonsense is true.

Looks like someone got one of those ‘word of the day‘ calendars as an early Christmas present. And it’s ascertain and not assertain.