Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Pay more, get less, and you will like it!

Surfing bobs big blue ocean

YOU are the magic

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Exactly - people want to get away from their job and have fun, not to have another job figuring out how to even have a vacation at Disney World.

And think of just some of the things changed over the last few years:
Park Reservations requirements
Park Hopping restrictions
No more magical express
Genie+ LL and ILL insanity and extra cost
7am booking lotto and Olympic sprint
Price hikes everywhere
Variable costs (G+, tickets, etc)
Food quality down in some places
Park openings at different times now
Ride downtime more often than before
Etc etc etc

Just feels like it is as exciting / happy to do the planning for a trip as in the past

Before you would book you trip and that would be your resort and ticket, and include your transfer to the hotel and magic bands and for some adding in the dining plan

Then 180 days book your dining which had some stress but also excitement, especially if you had those dining credits to us, and was like a checkpoint

Then you would get the magic bands and luggage tags in the mail, something else to get excited about

Then book your FP+, again some stress but also you excitement to get some structure set for your days and can start playing out the days in your head

A lot of that is now gone and replaces by upcharges and stress for how things will got at 7am each day of your trip, etc

Look, I still really like Disney, I am very much looking forward to our trip in August ... But just isn't that same level of positive excitement for many people around planning a trip (costs, not a ton of new stuff, complexity, etc) - I think more than anything Disney needs to fix this - start getting people feeling excited about adding a new trip

 

[Splash4eva]

Well I had an anecdotal example with 5 lego store employees on Monday (store was empty) about wdw and they proceeded to unload about how it was “like a job”. Same complaint from all.

The detest was palpable.

I didn’t really have to feed their “fire”

Honestly i have talked to a few people recently who are/were thinking about making their 1st trips down there with their children ranging from ages 4-8 multiple different friends all separate... When 'trying" to explain to them everything that needed to get done they were allll in awe at everything and we are not talking about stupid people either. they were just like baffled why they would make things so difficult along with me mentioning some of the things they have taken away that ie ME ... needless to say they were all left with a sour taste in their mouths....

 

[Smugpugmug]

Pay more, get less, and you will like it!

And have a bunch of diehard Disney fans defend paying less. I still go to the parks but the amount of people I see defend the blatant greediness is just........wow.

 

[Lilofan]

Pay more, get less, and you will like it!

The route the airlines are going and people continue to fly.

 

[Splash4eva]

The route the airlines are going and people continue to fly.

only difference is you pretty much NEED to fly to get to a vacation... you dont need to go to Disney for a vacation

 

[monothingie]

But, it's a number that over the life of all those movies in the post-theatrical windows can make up that loss.

Those traditional profitability models say that a movie will make up for it post-theatrical release rely heavily on factoring in sales of physical media (DVD, BluRay, etc.). But even taking to account streaming, if the production's digital home is D+, it's basically moving money from the left pocket to the right pocket.

So there is very little chance that these movies make anything significant once out of theaters.

 

[monothingie]

We only lost $450 Million at the box office! We only lost $450 Million at the box office! We're winners! People love us!

Or something.

And that doesn't even take into account the disaster that is Indy 5. So it's either $750M or $1.2B.

And we still have several more exciting disasters waiting in the wings like The Marvels, Wish, and Haunted Mansion.

 

[JD80]

We only lost $450 Million at the box office! We only lost $450 Million at the box office! We're winners! People love us!

Or something.

Why not say Disney lost #2 billion at the box office. Sounds more dramatic.

I personally believe it's important to be as accurate as possible.

 

[jpeden]

but we were told park reservations were to make things better for us lol

Well, it DID work for those folks yesterday but not in the way Disney intended.

 

[monothingie]

Should be in the neighbourhood fall 2024 with the in-laws

I guess I'd better start saving my Disney Dollars.

 

[wdisney9000]

but we were told park reservations were to make things better for us lol

Didn't they say the same thing about MM+?

They spent billions on infrastructure (instead of attraction capacity) to "improve" operations and guest experience.

Apparently they could.have saved the few billion dollars and just made park reservations mandatory. They're clinging to it like a racoon tugging on a trash bag

 

[monothingie]

Ok...here we go again. First the internet claimed that Disney's studios are in finacial trouble. NOT TRUE!

Then the internet claimed that Disney was in serious legal jeopardy over Reedy Creek. NOT TRUE!

Now the internet says that Disney Parks attendance is down....more,..NOT TRUE!

People are trying has hard as they can to paint a picture that Disney is not doing well. Uggg...it's just more haters and trolls just stomping their feet.

Yes,...DIsney has had a touch of bad luck lately but the truth is that everything is generaly FINE and everything will get back to normal very shortly.

People need to stop being so negative!

 

[Splash4eva]

Anytime you want to head back over…you can join @monothingie and I for dinner…

…he pays

how do i get in on this dinner?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The route the airlines are going and people continue to fly.

Planes are the most convenient TRANSPORTATION system…much of it used for business and family


You want to try a bit harder next time?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

how do i get in on this dinner?

 

[monothingie]

how do i get in on this dinner?

Chip in for the small Diet Coke, split four ways now.

 

[Splash4eva]

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ill pick up the 1st dinner.. not a problem at all... i was just in your "great' state lol . 4th of july by the shore is always a fun time

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Didn't they say the same thing about MM+?

They spent billions on infrastructure (instead of attraction capacity) to "improve" operations and guest experience.

Apparently they could.have saved the few billion dollars and just made park reservations mandatory. They're clinging to it like a racoon tugging on a trash bag

MM+ was a lie…

Bob needed to pay for a MASSIVE IT Upgrade and wouldn’t say “hey…it’s a bill but we gotta pay it…”

So it was dressed up as a “revenue stream”…which it never was.

That tactic has snowballed into bigger problems today…as there are no “costs” to run theme parks anymore. It’s all a profit stream.

 

[Tha Realest]

Driving may be currently the most economical (forgoing opportunity cost in time and hotels and meals) at least until the states start taxing by the mile