Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[GhostHost1000]

Disney’s All-Star Villas

nothing would surprise me down the road

 

[lentesta]

I think the reason we don’t have any pricing/packages yet for the opening is because they are looking at these bad numbers and trends now.

Maybe they’ll be smart about it?

Unlike down the road…where they went ahead and started trying to sell trailers to dvc that no one on earth ever wanted

I'd been told that ticket vendors would have until end of June to get systems ready for the new UOR ticket options.

Assuming everything went according to schedule - god, I love optimism - they'd be juuuust starting testing now.

I still think fall for details, because once people know prices they'll want to start planning. And we don't have an opening date yet.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'd been told that ticket vendors would have until end of June to get systems ready for the new UOR ticket options.

Assuming everything went according to schedule - god, I love optimism - they'd be juuuust starting testing now.

I still think fall for details, because once people know prices they'll want to start planning. And we don't have an opening date yet.

Grumblings in the swamp land they want to push up to spring…you hear any of that?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m just waiting until they start trying to shove more DVC into moderate resorts or if really bad dare I say value resort properties in some way (family suites) just to ensure people are in the parks and spending money. Nothing would surprise me

The problem there is sales are on the other side of the Mountain now and 1/3 of the inventory is getting closer to retirement

 

[GhostHost1000]

The problem there is sales are on the other side of the Mountain now and 1/3 of the inventory is getting closer to retirement

that's a bigger problem than I think they realize.... all these resorts have end dates on them too (down the road)

 

[Saskdw]

Grumblings in the swamp land they want to push up to spring…you hear any of that?

Most of the insiders are saying April 2025, but no official comment from Universal.
All indicators are they are ahead of schedule. But there is some complicated ride systems there so could always be a set back.

 

[Notes from Neverland]

As has been said repeatedly here, Disney's decision to avoid any real expansion (blue sky convos don't count) is going to bite them. Even announced plans at D23 are years away. I don't see how things improve before getting worse first.

 

[Andrew25]

Universal does 100% run the risk of being too arrogant with their pricing. Their is a fine line to walk for them to not only cash in on the initial excitement of Epic and also build a loyal fanbase that actually cuts into Disney long term.

This is what I am most interested in understanding. A year ago Universal executives had a reason to be bullish... not sure so much now.

I think the reason we don’t have any pricing/packages yet for the opening is because they are looking at these bad numbers and trends now.

Maybe they’ll be smart about it?

Unlike down the road…where they went ahead and started trying to sell trailers to dvc that no one on earth ever wanted

Seems like Universal wants to test the waters of how bullish they can be before offering "better" value. I've been tracking prices since last year and the attendance woes over the last 12-18 months tells me that offering multi-day tickets solely with no AP access is the wrong move.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Most of the insiders are saying April 2025, but no official comment from Universal.
All indicators are they are ahead of schedule. But there is some complicated ride systems there so could always be a set back.

well it wouldn't take much to open their new rides and be as reliable as Tiana's Mountain of Unreliability ....but I'm sure they'll test theirs more

 

[Tha Realest]

that's a bigger problem than I think they realize.... all these resorts have end dates on them too (down the road)

So is DVC going to go insolvent before SS?

 

[GhostHost1000]

As has been said repeatedly here, Disney's decision to avoid any real expansion (blue sky convos don't count) is going to bite them. Even announced plans at D23 are years away. I don't see how things improve before getting worse first.

exactly right...this is very concerning to me... and most of us saw this coming years ago

a new night parade and attraction overlay here or there in the meantime will only do so much since Disney has become so expensive and stressful to plan/experience now too

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Universal does 100% run the risk of being too arrogant with their pricing. Their is a fine line to walk for them to not only cash in on the initial excitement of Epic and also build a loyal fanbase that actually cuts into Disney long term.

A part of me does think back to when Disney was so worried about the crazy crowds for Galaxy's Edge that they had all these restrictions and then the crowds wound up staying away ... Could the same thing happen with EU?

Obviously people are excited for it but only so many hoops they will jump through and so much they pay - especially to do it more than once

 

[Andrew25]

A part of me does think back to when Disney was so worried about the crazy crowds for Galaxy's Edge that they had all these restrictions and then the crowds wound up staying away ... Could the same thing happen with EU?

Obviously people are excited for it but only so many hoops they will jump through and so much they pay - especially to do it more than once

I've been very adamant over the past few months that Universal is falling into a trap of overhyping themselves.

On opening day, you can easily find 25-30K guests willing to pay for a 1-day ticket... after that, the demand will soften dramatically without any multi-day/AP offerings.

 

[GhostHost1000]

A part of me does think back to when Disney was so worried about the crazy crowds for Galaxy's Edge that they had all these restrictions and then the crowds wound up staying away ... Could the same thing happen with EU?

Obviously people are excited for it but only so many hoops they will jump through and so much they pay - especially to do it more than once

Well imo Disney kinda botched Galaxy’s Edge which is what kept some people away. It could have been so much more. They don’t seem to know how to manage Star Wars and their fans (see star cruiser as another example).

They also don’t know how to manage or use the muppets correctly

 

[GhostHost1000]

I've been very adamant over the past few months that Universal is falling into a trap of overhyping themselves.

On opening day, you can easily find 25-30K guests willing to pay for a 1-day ticket... after that, the demand will soften dramatically without any multi-day/AP offerings.

Their ticket pricing and how they manage all that will be interesting

 

[thomas998]

This is what I am most interested in understanding. A year ago Universal executives had a reason to be bullish... not sure so much now.


Seems like Universal wants to test the waters of how bullish they can be before offering "better" value. I've been tracking prices since last year and the attendance woes over the last 12-18 months tells me that offering multi-day tickets solely with no AP access is the wrong move.

I don't think Universal has to do much at this point, just keep things where they are and let Disney chase everyone over to Universal with Disney's ever increasing prices and declining service. Until Disney gets management that puts the focus on what matter to guests and stops trying to rape and pillage the guests' wallets like pirates, I don't see any bright future for Disney... They seem to be content to bleed the cash cow until it dies.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

As has been said repeatedly here, Disney's decision to avoid any real expansion (blue sky convos don't count) is going to bite them. Even announced plans at D23 are years away. I don't see how things improve before getting worse first.

…this was never in dispute and has been predicted for years…at least within the Jedi council around here

 

[Saskdw]

A part of me does think back to when Disney was so worried about the crazy crowds for Galaxy's Edge that they had all these restrictions and then the crowds wound up staying away ... Could the same thing happen with EU?

Obviously people are excited for it but only so many hoops they will jump through and so much they pay - especially to do it more than once

Whenever we have gone to Universal we have booked a Premium resort with the " Stay More Save More " discount which is 30% for 7 or more days. So last December we had a waterview King bad room at Royal Pacific which gives EP for length of stay for $299 per night. We have always been able to get that deal.

Problem is those rooms seem to be harder to get and there is zero chance we would be paying $500 per night for that room. Also zero chance we would be paying $200 per day per person to buy EP and stay at a cheaper resort.

So if those type of deals aren't accessible we will most likely just cross Orlando off the list of possible vacation spots. Unfortunate because we love it there, but we won't be gouged. Tons of other places to go.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Well imo Disney kinda botched Galaxy’s Edge which is what kept some people away. It could have been so much more. They don’t seem to know how to manage Star Wars and their fans (see star cruiser as another example).

They also don’t know how to manage or use the muppets correctly

Disney couldn’t possibly suck worse at Star Wars

What they’ve built and what they filmed

They were dumb enough to not take the history of Star Wars fandom seriously. So they have failed. Hubris

They didn’t strangle the golden goose…they chopped its head off before it ever laid an egg.

 

[wannabeBelle]

Tons of other places to go.

This, Absolutely this. This is what they should be concerned about above and beyond anything else. Especially if people like what they see and experience at these other places. Marie