wannabeBelle
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Personal Identification Number. This is sent to specific people for discounts and a number is given as a PIN for them to use to access the discount offer. MarieSorry what is PIN?
Personal Identification Number. This is sent to specific people for discounts and a number is given as a PIN for them to use to access the discount offer. MarieSorry what is PIN?
Sorry what is PIN?
Personal Identification Number. This is sent to specific people for discounts and a number is given as a PIN for them to use to access the discount offer. Marie
They were once much more popular years ago than in recent memory. As far as coming back, I'm not sure on that one. That information isnt given out by Disney. As Jpeden said, they are used to target specific groups of people, so perhaps this was only for certain DVC members? I have not gotten any official information on this, but if it was for DVC members only, I would not have heard anything. MarieDid the use of PIN's decrease for several years? It seems they aren't discussed as much as, say, 20 years ago (or I just don't notice the discussions anymore). If so, are they coming back now?
They were once much more popular years ago than in recent memory. As far as coming back, I'm not sure on that one. That information isnt given out by Disney. As Jpeden said, they are used to target specific groups of people, so perhaps this was only for certain DVC members? I have not gotten any official information on this, but if it was for DVC members only, I would not have heard anything. Marie
I think the last 3+ years have been a massive experiment in this regard. They started out from a drastically reduced baseline in terms of services and entertainment, and have slowly bringing some of that back.I've noticed that lots of people here like to support their opinions with something like, "that's just a fact."
At this point, Disney seems to have acknowledged that they're just going to keep raising prices until crowds thin out.
I would love to see some cost/benefit analysis for Disney between a full park at $200/person vs. half as many guests at $400/person. I would expect a full park of guests to spend more on food/souvenirs, but with thinner crowds, maybe a half-full park could generate more profit? Maybe people would slow down, be in better moods, and spend more per person?
Fewer guests would require less staffing, maybe lower operating costs, allow more/better interaction between CM's and guests, and would probably result in higher customer satisfaction. It'd be interesting to see where the tipping point might be.
When you throw out the guest experience weighting of the equation it becomes clear they only want headliners in the parks, tentpoles in the theatres, mastery of the seas and captive premium subs for streaming. It really is a sea change in how the company was run for the first part of it's existence.I think the last 3+ years have been a massive experiment in this regard. They started out from a drastically reduced baseline in terms of services and entertainment, and have slowly bringing some of that back.
I don’t necessarily begrudge the price increases. One could argue it is a fiscally responsible thing to do. They should seek out the most profit they can. My worry with that approach is the perverse incentives some of those tactics may induce. For example, is any new attraction going to have some form of a ILL cost/benefit analysis? Doesn’t that incentivize more massively budget bloated E-tickets than a few more modest C and D’s that could serve as people eaters? To that point, while G+ and ILL revenue is “newfound money” - is it really, or does it cannibalize spending in merch and food? And while DME going away likely saved a ton of money on the resort side, are those savings washed away by the loss in revenue from low occupancy rates?
I’m ok with them raising prices to lower attendance, I just wish they’d stop eliminating perks and monetizing free stuff while they do it. Being asked to pay a constantly increasing price for a constantly decreasing quality of product is getting old.I've noticed that lots of people here like to support their opinions with something like, "that's just a fact."
At this point, Disney seems to have acknowledged that they're just going to keep raising prices until crowds thin out.
I would love to see some cost/benefit analysis for Disney between a full park at $200/person vs. half as many guests at $400/person. I would expect a full park of guests to spend more on food/souvenirs, but with thinner crowds, maybe a half-full park could generate more profit? Maybe people would slow down, be in better moods, and spend more per person?
Fewer guests would require less staffing, maybe lower operating costs, allow more/better interaction between CM's and guests, and would probably result in higher customer satisfaction. It'd be interesting to see where the tipping point might be.
I would love to see some cost/benefit analysis for Disney between a full park at $200/person vs. half as many guests at $400/person. I would expect a full park of guests to spend more on food/souvenirs, but with thinner crowds, maybe a half-full park could generate more profit? Maybe people would slow down, be in better moods, and spend more per person?
Yes, part of the genius of their business model is they make it seem fun to spend money while you're in the parks.My guess is they make their biggest profits on F&B sales -- those usually have gigantic margins. I'm not sure half as many guests at double the price would be enough in admission revenue to make up for the lost F&B sales.
Problem is this. The price increase is not lowering attendance imo. Its the product they are delivering.I’m ok with them raising prices to lower attendance, I just wish they’d stop eliminating perks and monetizing free stuff while they do it. Being asked to pay a constantly increasing price for a constantly decreasing quality of product is getting old.
I agree there’s a sweet spot though, we spend more time, and money, in the parks when they aren’t so crowded so theres definitely a price point that would profit them more than a park at 100% capacity.
There have to be rules every forum has them. I get the censorship thing that's every forum, but I thought there would be rules posted.
also, recently we've been repeatedly and very politely asked to take any issues with moderation directly to the mods in the form of a PM and not discuss those issues in the threads
I don’t necessarily begrudge the price increases.
I guess I sort of do begrudge the price increases. I love the parks, and I want as many people as possible to experience them. I honestly believe that visits to Disneyland as a kid inspired some things in me that make me approach things with a different sort of creativity than I might otherwise have had. I want that for other people!I’m ok with them raising prices to lower attendance
Yeah, I bet you're right. I have no idea what average guest spending on food and beverage is, but I'm sure it's a major source of profit.My guess is they make their biggest profits on F&B sales -- those usually have gigantic margins. I'm not sure half as many guests at double the price would be enough in admission revenue to make up for the lost F&B sales.
They do! And it's SO easy when your Magic Band, smartwatch, and phone are also credit cards.Yes, part of the genius of their business model is they make it seem fun to spend money while you're in the parks.
I'd prefer to see them use what seem like more "Disney" ways to control crowds, like expansion, good design, more entertainment, and many more high-capacity (lower-budget) attractions.
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