Sirwalterraleigh
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On the topics?You seriously believe that there would be a consensus agreement with this bunch?
There’s ALOT more than there used to be
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Is attendance really down at WDW this or…
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There’s ALOT more than there used to be
Nubs70
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Depends where rides are running in respect to design capacity.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The ops are in shambles…from what I can see…
But I’ve only been here for a little over a day…more to follow
TheMaxRebo
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obviously wait times is only one measure but per TrillData, yesterday was the busiest/longest average wait time since WDW has reopened after the covid closure
Disstevefan1
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So if we compare Jan. ‘22 through Apr. 22 to Jan. ‘23 through Apr. ‘23, we see more red in ‘23.
This clearly shows wait times were worse in ‘23.
So is it a true statement that attendance is down in ‘23 compared to ‘22 but wait times are up in ‘23 compared to ‘22?
I have not found attendance numbers to compare ‘22 to ‘23, Jan. Through Apr. , but all you hear is how attendance is down at WDW.
Is it true there were less people in the park in ‘23 compared to ‘22?
If it’s true that there is less people in the park but the wait times are higher, the problem must be Genie+
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John park hopper
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I would not put it past Disney management to inflate wait times in order to push their Genie +
hopemax
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The problem is human nature. People hate to wait in line so when you give them an option to pre-buy their seat, they will. And suddenly a 1400 per hour attraction like FOP is allocating its seats at a rate of something like 200 per hour to standby, 1000 per hour to ILL, and 200 for other people using the ILL lane (DAS, guest recovery, etc). So for the standby line you only would need 800 people to have a 4 hr line. 800 people in a park that is supposed to have 35,000 people but only has 30,000 people is small. But that's all it takes to make a uber long line in a park that isn't as full. And the other half of human nature, Disney can't walk away from those 1000 people per hour paying $15 or whatever, to make the experience slightly better (there will probably always be 120 min waits, which is better than 240 min, but people won't feel like it is *that* much better) for the measly 800 people waiting in the standby queue.
Some wanted to be and thought they were the smartest guys in the room - that some was the Enron execs.
wannabeBelle
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Len Testa's independent data has shown that this wasnt the case routinely in the wait times that his team saw and experienced. Marie
hopemax
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They don't need to. The percentage allocated to LL takes care of all of the dirty work. It lowers the effective capacity for the *standby* line and wait times for standby, rise rapidly as a natural consequence. There are just a lot of people who not only have the resources but the will to shell out $$ to not wait in line.
Also hard to be in the "bubble" if you are staring at your phone all day long. With all the notifications from email, facebook, etc., the illusion of the "bubble" is shattered by the mere fact that Disney wants you to look at your phone all day to get Genie+, make food orders and purchases through mobile, Play Disney, etc. Disney shattered it's own bubble.
Tha Realest
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If this is true, and official and unofficial data bears that out, this has to be a worrisome trend to parks and resorts, no?
John park hopper
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Maybe that is why Disney has not built a new resort in years and now focuses on DVC whatever it costs to build (Holiday Inn look alike) they recoup the cost almost immediately and they don't have to worry about occupancy or maintenance fees
Sirwalterraleigh
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
They can’t sell what they have already
Also…they can’t handle more rooms…some genius decided not enough capacity would work great…and that is silly too
Disstevefan1
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In my opinion, Disney burst their own bubble by removing perks folks used to get by staying on site, the biggest being the magical express. Someone can correct me but also the off site good neighbor hotels get the same extra magic hour perks folks who stay on site do, so in my mind this could contribute to the lower occupancy of the onsite resorts.
So folks have been saying because the onsite resorts are doing less business, that automatically proves the parks are getting less visitors. This could be true, but I would like to see the attendance numbers to see how many bodies are actually in the parks compared to last year.
I totally believe the parks are busy, but my question is, are they busy because there are more bodies in the parks, or are they busy because of less cast members, or running attractions at lower capacity, or more ride breakdowns or because of the failed Genie+ or a combination of all of these things and NOT the actual attendance?
Sirwalterraleigh
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networkpro
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- In the Parks
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I watched Resort1TV tonight and they left Main street and went to the Contemporary balcony due to the crowds and to get a good look at the 360 fireworks.
Ayla
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Don't you dare visit this week and complain about crowds.
