Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Only to the pros who are trying to optimize... to the general audience it looks like any other kind of Sale promotion. "Get 50% off..." hooks them in and then they look at the fine print of when and on what.

This is the kind of stuff they can run in Media ads, etc and drive interest.

Promos are always the better way to handle negative price pressure as they are easily modified and short term... plus people think they are getting a deal.

Plus in Disney terms - "lowering prices" just means slow or delay a price increase. Same effect... just less marketable.
Promotions have always worked well because they were warranted by a downturn in the overall economy…

What’s the scary part here?
 

Dranth

Well-Known Member
So nighttime EMH anyone?
I had pretty mixed feelings on the old EMH. At times it was great but towards the later years it was so crowded we would just avoid the park that had it. Regardless of how I feel about the original, it was obviously very popular so I’m sure it would be a winner from a PR point of view to bring it back in some form.
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
I had pretty mixed feelings on the old EMH. At times it was great but towards the later years it was so crowded we would just avoid the park that had it. Regardless of how I feel about the original, it was obviously very popular so I’m sure it would be a winner from a PR point of view to bring it back in some form.
I understand your point, however I just found myself enjoying the parks more at night. It was more about the atmosphere than trying to maximize a certain number of rides.

I liked the energy of it.

In a way if you where trying to maximize rides or avoid crowds you could pick the park without the EMH’s.

You could say that even if you didn’t enjoy participating In it, you could still find benefit.
 

Splash4eva

Well-Known Member
Isn’t a possible “big lever” bringing back EMH for all resort guests every night ?

Is that something that they can’t return too for some reason ?

I could be enticed by some late night hours.
To me this loss is definitely something that hurt but it went right along with their failed strategy catering to the people spending the most… allowing all resort guests back in at night would be imo a “big lever” as you say
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
It’s just you, me, and pirate that think that way…

…according to the 8 people here that still defend Bob


But what if?…Hypothetically…it’s 10s if not hundreds of THOUSANDS of dvc members, Florida residents, and 80s and 90s baked in park fans that think the same way?

What are the numbers telling them?
CNBC has taken notice of how attendance at parks has lagged

 

Andrew25

Well-Known Member
It wouldn't surprise me to see a "limited-time magic activation" for 10-20% off quick-service dining for APs next year if attendance really lags.

If we don't see hotel reservations move much... they're gonna have to start looking after their APs again
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Isn’t a possible “big lever” bringing back EMH for all resort guests every night ?

Is that something that they can’t return too for some reason ?

I could be enticed by some late night hours.
Unfortunately they won’t do it…

More bad strategy…
It’s the “after hours”…they decided it’s a good idea to generate profits from tickets and it never was.
They’re getting hammered by the ripple effect now.

Root problem: management

And so begins another day ending in “y”
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
So nighttime EMH anyone?
While I’d love to see them being that back, I don’t see it happening. Yet. Staffing the parks those extra hours is likely the sticking point. While it sounds like staffing has improved, I don’t know if it’s EMH-improved, if you know what I mean.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
It wouldn't surprise me to see a "limited-time magic activation" for 10-20% off quick-service dining for APs next year if attendance really lags.

If we don't see hotel reservations move much... they're gonna have to start looking after their APs again
They already have started, I’d say, albeit slowly, because they’re tightwads. It’s funny how many around here said that $lappie’s dismissal of AP’s would bite them in the ***. And while it hasn’t been a mule-kick, it’s been bruising. You can’t alienate a core audience like that in an industry that is sensitive to economic maladies, where you also often depend on that core audience to keep the cash registers ringing (sorry, old timer reference for all you youngin’s out there 😂) during downturns and slower times. But, pride cometh before the fall. Neither Bob learned a damn thing about how things worked, and succeeded, before their presence graced the upper eschelons of Burbank.
 

JD80

Well-Known Member
  1. They do have a lot, no doubt. How many do they have left to pull, though? And if they have to keep pulling more levers, what does that say about the current state of things?

They are pulling the same levers, the only difference is:
  • Extra 5% discount on rack rates sometimes
  • Wider availability of dates and hotel inventory
The new discount for next year is basically free dining for families with under 10s but with the numbers moved around a bit. This reflects the new Dining Plan pricing. Kids are cheaper than in 2019, adults are more expensive.

I suspect if things continue to stay soft we'll see additional ticket price discounts. Ticket prices are being artificially inflated more/faster than hotel rooms and it's at the point where tickets are main driver of cost of a vacation.

Just wait for other clever offers for tickets where they don't out right discount them. Deals like buy 4 get 1 free. Or better pricing when you order more tickets. Four park ticket packages like in the summer again.
 

fgmnt

Well-Known Member
…yeah…how’s that construction going now?
Exactly. Seeing this kind of promo would not surprise me because there is nothing encouraging repeat visitors to repeat visit. I don’t think this is a connection made by the movers and shakers in Burbank but it makes sense to me as someone who has spent my own money on WDW property more than once in my life.
 

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