Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[flyerjab]

The real problem Disney is gonna have - beyond a slowing “travel economy” - is that they have nothing under construction and Igerism means that they basically are accepting park stagnation and all the offshoot issues that come with it.

Epic universe opening is real change…a couple rollercoasters and a mothballed Hotel nobody went too is not…it’s incremental and the effects dissipate quickly. That’s multiplied by taking 8 years of construction to open 7-8 rides over 4 parks.

Not the way to strengthen your park business

Agree completely. As someone who’s fandom only started in 2011, what was the one thing I was accustomed to with WDW - constant change. Year after year each park had some announced addition, change, etc. Something different to look forward to. Where is any of that now? I feel like they used Covid s as their go to reason for pulling back on everything, and their return to ‘normalcy’ has been a slow-speed train wreck from a guest satisfaction perspective (with train conductor Chapek behind the wheel).

To be fair, we are still enjoying this vacation. We are veterans at vacationing in WDW now and know how to enjoy this despite my current angst over certain current circumstances. For example, having not that great of a day, try the fish-inspired charcuterie at Narcoossee’s…it was life altering

The current direction of the Florida parks is very disappointing though. I really hope Epic Universe walks up and punches Disney right in the face to wake them up. They may not be the untouchable force in the Orlando vacationing scene that they think they are.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Mid Aug - late Sept is peak hurricane season and makes sense hotel rates are lower. Living through a Cat 3-4 is challenging.

It’s lower because of the evolving American school calendar. And it’s the temperature of the surface of Venus in Florida more often than not

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Agree completely. As someone who’s fandom only started in 2011, what was the one thing I was accustomed to with WDW - constant change. Year after year each park had some announced addition, change, etc. Something different to look forward to. Where is any of that now? I feel like they used Covid s as their go to reason for pulling back on everything, and their return to ‘normalcy’ has been a slow-speed train wreck from a guest satisfaction perspective (with train conductor Chapek behind the wheel).

To be fair, we are still enjoying this vacation. We are veterans at vacationing in WDW now and know how to enjoy this despite my current angst over certain current circumstances. For example, having not that great of a day, try the fish-inspired charcuterie at Narcoossee’s…it was life altering

The current direction of the Florida parks is very disappointing though. I really hope Epic Universe walks up and punches Disney right in the face to wake them up. They may not be the untouchable force in the Orlando vacationing scene that they think they are.

Lol…

I was at narcoosees Saturday and thought the fish antipasto looked like the most gross thing ever conceived
Lobster sausage, tuna salami and octopus?!??

But the scallops/gnocchi with Meyer lemon was beyond exquisite

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Your resorts chart comparisons are cute…wrong…but cute.

The most overpriced hotels in any park market are the Disney moderates. I learned that working at/with the Disney moderates

Now…are the universal hotels with the express pass “cheap”? No…they don’t need to be.

But with the pass the inherent value far exceeds the Disney “deluxes” unless they are on a significant discount. That’s why people do the one day “ghost” reservations at portofino or Royal pacific while STAYING in wdw.

Good effort, though

One exception to the Moderates take is if you need a room that fits 5 people (as we do) and this don't fit in a Value room at either resort

This August we are staying in a 5th sleeper at POR for $200/night which isn't bad vs other options that fit 5

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

One exception to the Moderates take is if you need a room that fits 5 people (as we do) and this don't fit in a Value room at either resort

This August we are staying in a 5th sleeper at POR for $200/night which isn't bad vs other options that fit 5

Coronado is the best “value” for the moderates by alot…Because of all the shared services.

Caribbean used to be the worst…but skyliner and the second grill changed that

The worst…and I better get Kevlar…is now port,

 

[Disone]

Your resorts chart comparisons are cute…wrong…but cute.

The most overpriced hotels in any park market are the Disney moderates. I learned that working at/with the Disney moderates

Now…are the universal hotels with the express pass “cheap”? No…they don’t need to be.

But with the pass the inherent value far exceeds the Disney “deluxes” unless they are on a significant discount. That’s why people do the one day “ghost” reservations at portofino or Royal pacific while STAYING in wdw.

Good effort, though

I'm not exactly sure why you're saying I was wrong because what you're saying is....

exactly what my point. We 1000% agree... The universal deluxe hotels are an extreme value compared to Disney's deluxe.

So you have me a little confused on why I'm wrong when you're making the exact point I wanted to make.

"Cute.... Wrong but cute" and " good effort though" ?!?!?!?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Folks are saying attendance is down.

You know what also went down? Disney's systems when folks began to book the dining plan

 

[flyerjab]

Lol…

I was at narcoosees Saturday and thought the fish antipasto looked like the most gross thing ever conceived
Lobster sausage, tuna salami and octopus?!??

But the scallops/gnocchi with Meyer lemon was beyond exquisite

Touché lol! I compare it to eating raw oysters on the half shell. No one can look at that and declare yum! That ‘looks’ tasty, with the emphasis on looks. But it can still taste divine.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Touché lol! I compare it to eating raw oysters on the half shell. No one can look at that and declare yum! That ‘looks’ tasty, with the emphasis on looks. But it can still taste divine.

…love salties…probably gonna have a dozen this weekend

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm not exactly sure why you're saying I was wrong because what you're saying is....

exactly what my point. We 1000% agree... The universal deluxe hotels are an extreme value compared to Disney's deluxe.

So you have me a little confused on why I'm wrong when you're making the exact point I wanted to make.

"Cute.... Wrong but cute" and " good effort though" ?!?!?!?

Oops…my bad on that.

I didn’t think you were a dust peddler

I must have read that upside down in a mirror

 

[Disstevefan1]

Lol…

I was at narcoosees Saturday and thought the fish antipasto looked like the most gross thing ever conceived
Lobster sausage, tuna salami and octopus?!??

But the scallops/gnocchi with Meyer lemon was beyond exquisite

"tuna salami" or tuna and salami?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

"tuna salami" or tuna and salami?

No salami made out of tuna

Ask “worlds worst hockey team”jab to describe

 

[ToTBellHop]

Coronado is the best “value” for the moderates by alot…Because of all the shared services.

Caribbean used to be the worst…but skyliner and the second grill changed that

The worst…and I better get Kevlar…is now port,

I still love POFQ because it’s so compact and pretty but the services there are very weak. The continued lack of a TSR is inexcusable. My kids have outgrown that tiny water slide though. That and the splash pad were cute when they were 6.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I still love POFQ because it’s so compact and pretty but the services there are very weak. The continued lack of a TSR is inexcusable. My kids have outgrown that tiny water slide though. That and the splash pad were cute when they were 6.

…Marry me?

 

[Jrb1979]

Folks are saying attendance is down.

You know what also went down? Disney's systems when folks began to book the dining plan

You still believe they are invincible?

 

[ToTBellHop]

Folks are saying attendance is down.

You know what also went down? Disney's systems when folks began to book the dining plan

It goes down when they open a new restaurant so let’s not read too much into that. They can handle about 10 people entering credit card info and then the site crashes.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Folks are saying attendance is down.

You know what also went down? Disney's systems when folks began to book the dining plan

Remember when you had to wait in that virtual queue to buy that AP before it sold out?


…didn’t we say we’d do the numbers when the prices came out?

$100 per day…this should be all kinds of nasa theoretical math type stuff

 

[Disstevefan1]

You still believe they are invincible?

Yes, my point was, there are still MOBS of folks wanting to book, so many, the system crashed! As for the system crashing, that was SOP for the Disney systems so that was expected.

 

[Disstevefan1]

It goes down when they open a new restaurant so let’s not read too much into that. They can handle about 10 people entering credit card info and then the site crashes.

It's totally normal for Dianey. My point was there are still MLOBS of folks wanting to book.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yes, my point was, there are still MOBS of folks wanting to book, so many, the system crashed! As for the system crashing, that was SOP for the Disney systems so that was expected.

What a “mob” when you have 35,000 rooms to fill 365 days per year?

Quick math made that number too big for me to count on my fingers and toes

Can you just go to a park? It’s like 2001/02

No…not kidding

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