Interim show 'The Jungle Book: Alive with Magic' confirmed to debut ahead of Rivers of Light

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We have a couple of new pics from last night that illustrate the issues with the water screens.

Viewed from the back, you can clearly see that the 2 large center screens do not meet to complete the semi-circle. This is problem because some of the projection is right in the center.

This shot also shows the two side screens to the far left and right, which are single screens.

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Viewed from the front, there is just so much break-up of the screen, that it is very hard to see the image clearly.

These two scenes are about the clearest, and that is mostly because they are just light and shadow.

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glvsav37

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Hahahahaha... this is a joke, right? Disneyland was total rush job and a joke on opening day. It almost failed in its first year.


Anyway, I didn't see the full show last night but I did watch from the path next to the Asia side (by the old Everest fastpass). I won't give a full review because I didn't see the whole thing but I wanted to mention I think there are a few issues with the water curtains. First, as mentioned by others, is that even a little breeze will ruin the larger center one making it harder to see what is happening. However this issue is magnified by the fact that this show just took scenes from the movie and is playing them on the water screens. Since the film was not designed to be played in such a format it doesn't work very well. Hopefully that won't be an issue when RoL has projections that were designed to be played in that format.

Also they are projecting lights on the trees behind the curtain (in the BBQ area) during the show. While the designs can look cool they are turned on at the same time as the projections. Because there isn't black background it makes the projection even harder to see.

Haaaaa....this is a joke, right?

trying to align the planning and challenges of the construction of an ENTIRE THEME PARK, a concept that had never been done before from both a theming and technology perspective, to a nighttime water show hastily produced to CYA and fill space is a feeble stretch.

Really?

fact is....this was a rush job to cover their butts b/c the hype was generated by Disney and they felt it better to rush together a show and try and convince everyone that it was worth dining packages, fast pass hysteria and massive standby lines rather than tuck their tail between their legs and say "Hey, we would rather put out a great show, and since RoL is having issues, we are post poning its opening till it is ready."

Disney did this to themselves.

I stand by what I have said...Bad show is worse then no Show.
 

No Name

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After 18 years of waiting for the park to open late for everyone, maybe - just maybe - it would have been better to wait one more.

If marketing would allow it. Of course.

Yup, totally. Lets complain about DAK's hours being extended at the same time that we complain about hours being shortened elsewhere. Makes perfect sense, and makes this site a great source of opinion for Disney to read!

The reality is, Disney could've done absolutely nothing with AK other than Avatar, and there would be no criticism. They could've operated the park just like they had in the past. But instead, they decided to extend the hours AND add, yes add, unique nighttime entertainment. And so to complain about that is absolutely ridiculous. It is an addition. It makes the experience better. If people don't want to stay, they don't have to, but the ones who do stay will have a great time.

Sorry, I don't care what point you're trying to make. It would not have been better to wait one more year.

And "marketing" does not deserve any blame, only credit, for having a real promotion for once and improving the experience across all four parks. I think this year's summer promotion is far superior to Olaf in the Sun or whatever they did last summer.

Perhaps they should go back to all fluff and no stuff, which is probably exactly what they're planning for next summer.

Egg,
The problem we are having is that Disney was the one displaying all this great new technology. They had all the videos showing how great it was going to be. They had Imaginears touting what a great job they did. There were 4 videos on the Disney Parks Blogs showing how this was going to transform the park into an all day park. It was typical Disney over hype and typical under performance. It was going to be the best thing since sliced bread. Disney hyped this show up so much, now we are extremely disappointed with what the outcome became. They promised all these poor Guests that this was going to the Summer of Fun, and now this attraction won't be available until the Fall if were lucky.

This is a show put together in two months, and they wrote limited engagement everywhere. So if you expected the best thing since sliced bread, that's entirely your fault. They also made it pretty clear that this would be a dancing and instrumental show rather than a water show like WoC.

The imagineers may have touted what a great job they did, and I agree with them. For having put this together in two months, it is a pretty damn good show. To me, it's really not much worse (or fundementally different, for that matter) than Festival of the Lion King.

They did heavily advertise RoL a few months ago. But that show got delayed, and in place of it, they created a show that is nothing like RoL. The geat new technology isn't being used yet because it's just not part of TJB:AwM!!! Just as Indian dancing is not part of RoL!

So no, in the last two months, they did not promise guests that this would be a "summer of fun" only to delay it. Literally everything will open as promised. Except for RoL, and they decided to actually show something in place of that, rather than go with the typical and easier solution of saving money and leaving the theater empty. They could've shown nothing. Instead, they are showing something, and something that isn't complete crap.

I applaud that alone. I applaud Disney for their decision and the show they put together. And the rest of you guys can teach them to not even bother adding new entertainment in the coming years, or to simply show nothing when faced with an issue.
 

Baloo62

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My issue has nothing to do with the clarity of the water screens. Even if the images were as clear as those at an IMEX theater, it wouldn't change the fact that there is NO STORYLINE. Yes,The Jungle Book itself has a story line, but simply slapping a few clips together in an outdoor venue doesn't tell a cohesive story nor present a compelling show. Same with the Star Wars fashion show. I thought Disney was all about story-telling first and foremost. If you had never seen either movie, you wouldn't know what the hell is going on. If Disney is moving away from good story telling, they should just build a fifth gate with nothing but world record-setting mega coasters. No theme, just raw adrenaline.
 

GhostHost1000

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My issue has nothing to do with the clarity of the water screens. Even if the images were as clear as those at an IMEX theater, it wouldn't change the fact that there is NO STORYLINE. Yes,The Jungle Book itself has a story line, but simply slapping a few clips together in an outdoor venue doesn't tell a cohesive story nor present a compelling show. Same with the Star Wars fashion show. I thought Disney was all about story-telling first and foremost. If you had never seen either movie, you wouldn't know what the hell is going on. If Disney is moving away from good story telling, they should just build a fifth gate with nothing but world record-setting mega coasters. No theme, just raw adrenaline.


This show has a multitude of issues. Logistical crowd control, water canon issues, no storyline, no wow factor, don't hold interest the whole time, lacking a lot

Can't blame the performers though. They are doing what they are asked ...which I hate it for them
 

mm52200

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My issue has nothing to do with the clarity of the water screens. Even if the images were as clear as those at an IMEX theater, it wouldn't change the fact that there is NO STORYLINE. Yes,The Jungle Book itself has a story line, but simply slapping a few clips together in an outdoor venue doesn't tell a cohesive story nor present a compelling show. Same with the Star Wars fashion show. I thought Disney was all about story-telling first and foremost. If you had never seen either movie, you wouldn't know what the hell is going on. If Disney is moving away from good story telling, they should just build a fifth gate with nothing but world record-setting mega coasters. No theme, just raw adrenaline.
What's the storyline for Festival of the Lion King? A troupe of performers come together to perform and celebrate the songs and story of the Lion King.

The storyline for Jungle Book seems to be...A troupe of performers come together to perform and celebrate the songs and story of the Jungle Book.
 

GhostHost1000

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What's the storyline for Festival of the Lion King? A troupe of performers come together to perform and celebrate the songs and story of the Lion King.

The storyline for Jungle Book seems to be...A troupe of performers come together to perform and celebrate the songs and story of the Jungle Book.

The lion king is entertaining though. For all ages, and does have several wow moments.

This show is lacking a lot in my opinion. Doesn't necessarily have to follow a storyline, but the fact that is has a jungle book name on it is just because it's the latest movie out and they are using some songs from it. The discovery island celebration dance party music is better in my opinion

I'm actually a little worried about RoL now....hopefully it'll be 100x better

Animal Kingdom and all the different ethnic sounds drumming and musical genres are plentiful ....possibilities are endless but we get a jungle book sub-par show thrown together in a few weeks because of Disney absolutely pathetic planning for RoL and now because of this AK at night is having to fight a black eye from the start
 

Rider

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Haaaaa....this is a joke, right?

trying to align the planning and challenges of the construction of an ENTIRE THEME PARK, a concept that had never been done before from both a theming and technology perspective, to a nighttime water show hastily produced to CYA and fill space is a feeble stretch.

The original poster said Walt would never have allowed less than perfection while the truth is that he often did. Because he was a human living in the real world and not some Saint living in the minds of fans born long after he died.
 

glvsav37

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What's the storyline for Festival of the Lion King? A troupe of performers come together to perform and celebrate the songs and story of the Lion King.

The storyline for Jungle Book seems to be...A troupe of performers come together to perform and celebrate the songs and story of the Jungle Book.

You left off ... Audience participation, multitude of diverse performers including acrobats, singers, stilt walkers, aerailists, huge animatronic props.

I doubt if it was billed as THE night time park show with only 2 showings and just showed Lion King clips on a background with some singers karioking over them that it would be as loved
 

matt9112

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"IF" the GPS/software guided boats of RoL aren't working properly, could Disney be scrapping that entire technology from the boats/floats and barges? If so, I'm guessing they would need to install tracks underwater to guide the show elements. That involves divers, welders and all kinds of crazy stuff that could take time.

I dunno, GPS guided boats don't seem "safe" to me. That seems way too prone to electronic mishaps. Could you imagine some bone-head guest sneaking in a GPS frequency jammer he built from a Radio Shack kit? He hits a button and the boats lose satellite lock? (yeah, they exist) Bang!...there goes the show. Even worse,...that hits the web and now people are "hacking" the show every other night.

Seems to me that a hard track guided system would be safe and more fool proof. I dunno anything,...just throwing that one out there.


and a meteor might come out of the sky and destroy the whole park.....
 

Cliff

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and a meteor might come out of the sky and destroy the whole park.....

The GPS jamming is a funny idea, I'll certainly give you that but it's at least a higher possibility than a meteor hitting the show. Just Google it. This one guy has a jammer that has a 2000ft range on just 7 watts of power.

The good thing for Disney is that "if" the RoL boats were entirely GPS guided, I'm pretty sure that no guest would ever try a stunt like that. That would be seriously mean! GPS jammers are illegal too. So, I guess Disney doesn't need to be concerned with that possibility after all. My bad.

CLIFFLIX
 

AEfx

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Why bother doing something so cheap ? Effects, especially the quality of the projections was a shambles. I myself, could have put on a better show.

This is definitely one of the elements that show how WDW is falling behind the times, when consumer equipment can rather accurately reproduce many of the same effects. The big thing this year is LED house projections for Christmas decorations - I already bought one for my mom. It was like $75 and covers the entire house and looks comparatively as good to what Disney is doing with their outdoor projections. Or even on rides themselves - one of the really neat things about Disneyland's Pan is that they have fiberoptic stars. You can equip your child's bedroom (or your own!) with a fiberoptic star field using the exact same materials and tech for about $200.
 

Magenta Panther

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The original poster said Walt would never have allowed less than perfection while the truth is that he often did. Because he was a human living in the real world and not some Saint living in the minds of fans born long after he died.

The more accurate phrase, in case you're interested, would be "he often didn't". That's why people have such high expectations in regards to Disney.

But hey, thanks for bringing us all down to earth regarding Walt's humanity, Captain Obvious. :rolleyes:
 

ford91exploder

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"IF" the GPS/software guided boats of RoL aren't working properly, could Disney be scrapping that entire technology from the boats/floats and barges? If so, I'm guessing they would need to install tracks underwater to guide the show elements. That involves divers, welders and all kinds of crazy stuff that could take time.

I dunno, GPS guided boats don't seem "safe" to me. That seems way too prone to electronic mishaps. Could you imagine some bone-head guest sneaking in a GPS frequency jammer he built from a Radio Shack kit? He hits a button and the boats lose satellite lock? (yeah, they exist) Bang!...there goes the show. Even worse,...that hits the web and now people are "hacking" the show every other night.

Seems to me that a hard track guided system would be safe and more fool proof. I dunno anything,...just throwing that one out there.

We are making an assumption that Disney used GPS but being an engineer who is involved with both wireless tech and robotics GPS is a safe bet here. IF Disney had consulted with GPS experts, They would have told Disney (and maybe they DID and Disney chose not to listen) that GPS was an inappropriate choice due to all the steel in the immediate environment that causes multipath interference and that prevents GPS receivers from getting an accurate and more importantly REPEATABLE position fix. I'm sure many of you have been driving with GPS in a large city and the GPS gets 'confused' and suddenly thinks its's 'somewhere else'. That folks is multipath interference and all the steel in the surrounding rockwork is more than sufficient to cause this type of interference. Heck the GPS in my camera which geotags my photos and authenticates them has trouble holding a satellite lock at AK.

What would have been appropriate at AK would have been either a inertial guidance system or magnetic guiderails.

I think we can safely leave GPS jamming out of the picture here, It's unlikely and I'm sure the show has an emergency STOP mode which could be activate if positioning control was lost for any reason.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
The GPS jamming is a funny idea, I'll certainly give you that but it's at least a higher possibility than a meteor hitting the show. Just Google it. This one guy has a jammer that has a 2000ft range on just 7 watts of power.

The good thing for Disney is that "if" the RoL boats were entirely GPS guided, I'm pretty sure that no guest would ever try a stunt like that. That would be seriously mean! GPS jammers are illegal too. So, I guess Disney doesn't need to be concerned with that possibility after all. My bad.

CLIFFLIX

A 7W jammer that can ONLY reach 2000Ft, That's a pretty poor design as 7 watts at a slight elevation should cover several square MILES especially since the L1 C/A transmitter on the satellites (which is what civilian GPS use) is only 25.6 watts
 

AEfx

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IF Disney had consulted with GPS experts, They would have told Disney (and maybe they DID and Disney chose not to listen) that GPS was an inappropriate choice due to all the steel in the immediate environment that causes multipath interference and that prevents GPS receivers from getting an accurate and more importantly REPEATABLE position fix

I'm not really savvy about GPS, but I've always understood that there are more than one type - consumer grade, and industrial grade, etc. I'd also assume that they would have a more complex system of repeaters, etc. than a consumer would have.

That said, GPS does seem odd choice in such a small area.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I'm not really savvy about GPS, but I've always understood that there are more than one type - consumer grade, and industrial grade, etc. I'd also assume that they would have a more complex system of repeaters, etc. than a consumer would have.

That said, GPS does seem odd choice in such a small area.

There indeed multiple grades and types of GPS however the difference is more along the lines of how the signal is processed because there are two types of GPS signal Civilian and Military the military one is encrypted and has multiple frequencies and is FAR more precise than the civilian equivalent it's good down to a few millimeters in real time and the signal has anti jamming and anti multipath features (multiple frequencies as opposed to civilian single frequency)

The Civilian system has a few variants but the 'Industrial' grade ones generally are used in a fixed position and mathematical averaging is used to get a fix accurate to a few centimeters. Navigation uses are usually assisted by WAAS or Wide Area Augmentation System which uses ground based transmitters to send a correction signal which accounts for local distortions caused by the atmosphere and terrain. It still does not help in a multipath environment as the correction is applied to the current fix.

But even the military is admitting that GPS is not the 'silver bullet' it was once advertised as as both the Naval and Air Force academies are once again teaching celestial navigation with a Sextant, Chronometer and a copy of Bowditch's

The Army never stopped teaching orienteering (map and compass) skills
 

Cliff

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Good stuff on GPS there! Yeah, GPS just seems to be not something as dependable as you want for boat guidance. Could anyone imagine "Jungle Cruise" doing that? Who knows? Maybe that's not at all what Disney is really doing. It's even plausible that it's just a reason to buy more time to fix other elements of the show too. Thanks for that input!
 

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