Interesting Rumor Straight From MiceAge

Pongo

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From an article today on MiceAge.com.

Orlando-Area Land Purchases

I realized last week that my wording wasn’t very precise. Sea World will be expanding into a small parcel of land right next to the existing park, and I was wondering if their expansion plans would ALSO have anything to do with a large parcel of land purchased by a mystery company elsewhere in Central Florida recently.

What I’ve uncovered since then, presented as a quote from a source:


There are actually four big parcels of land that have been bought recently. One tract was purchased by someone to build a shopping center (you’ll recognize this name; they are well-known up north).


Herschend Entertainment has purchased the land that fiddler Charlie Daniels had (Daniels was going to build a theme park possibly called WesternWorld), out in Pasco County. The land has been logged out for two years and some site clearing has been done. Development here is VERY possible.

There's a large piece of land out in Yeehaw Junction that Donald Trump supposedly purchased to build a large residential/mixed use development the size of some of the Monster-sized developments in Arizona. This is a done deal, but whether the Trumpster is involved seems doubtful.

And there's the last one... which would completely upset the entertainment balance around here. I still think [THIS MYSTERY COMPANY] is going to get cold feet. But if THEY do go forward and build, Disney be FORCED to have their own "fifth gate" open within 4-6 years.


It’s no use badgering or sweet-talking for the name of that final company. But the possibilities are intriguing. And I quite like the sound of Disney having to do a fifth park (the designs for which are said to be mind-blowing).


Might I avert your attention to the end of the italicised portion.

Now I don't mean to start up the 5th park rumor again, and, if it does get restarted on accident, I will ban myself from the site. But I just thought it was kind of interesting.

And from a pretty relieable (at least I think so) source.
 

speck76

Well-Known Member
There was a compny that accounced the other day that they had bought land and would build a 150 acre park as part of a large development........Paidia is the company

http://www.paidiaparks.com/pages/welcome.htm

As for the others, PASCO county is in the middle of EBF, as is Yeehaw Junction.

Circus World and Boardwalk&Baseball could not make a go of it, and they were right at I-4 and US-27.....these parks are even more isolated, they will never make it though financing, unless some idiot with money came and paid cash (which he would quickly lose anyway).

IOA never made money until last year, and it was built by a known company, next to a previously popular park......
 

TikiGod

Member
Just who is Paidia Parks? This dosn't sound like a new concept, it sounds more like someones pipe dream. I doubt Disney will even flinch.
 

speck76

Well-Known Member
TikiGod said:
Just who is Paidia Parks? This dosn't sound like a new concept, it sounds more like someones pipe dream. I doubt Disney will even flinch.

It is part of a larger development.......

The main development is Timeshare and retail, although they are looking for a partner for the timeshare development (not likely to find one.....a major corp would not go near something with this risk)

Is Kissimmee area getting another theme park?
Details still murky on development plans for 450-acre parcel west of city.
Bob Mervine
Staff Writer

KISSIMMEE -- Investors are eyeing a 430-acre parcel west of Kissimmee, once planned for the Vedaland Theme Park, to build Paidia's DestiNations Themed Resort, a 1,000-unit condominium and fractional resort with nearly 200,000 square feet of retail space and a 140-acre theme park.

The group has not closed on the land on West Irlo Bronson Memorial Highway pending "governmental approvals," says Tonya Pope, a spokeswoman for the company who is listed with the state of Florida as the corporation's president.

Pope says the purchase is contingent on getting those approvals. County records indicate the property was purchased in 1986 for $11.2 million by the Maharishi Global Development Fund.

Osceola County spokesman Don Madden says the county received a telephone inquiry recently about the land, asking if a previous Development of Regional Impact (DRI) for the land remained in effect.

Madden says it does not.

Paidia Parks Inc., a privately held Florida corporation created in November to assemble the deal, includes unnamed investors from both Florida and Louisiana.

Pope says the company also looked at acquiring the Splendid China site before deciding "this property offered us much more."

A general outline of the project was contained in a release dated May 16, 2005, but it contained very few specifics.

Still not resolved or still unannounced, Pope says, are the affiliation of the hotel's operators, estimates of unit costs, admission prices and myriad other details.

The company plans a major announcement in the months ahead, as details for the project become more solid, Pope says.

She says the company's plans call for putting out a request for proposals to hire a general contractor for the project late this summer and making a decision in the fall. Groundbreaking would occur in spring 2006, with opening scheduled for late 2007.

The theme park, says Pope, is expected to cost about $300 million. She did not provide costs for the hotel and retail center.

The park's general theme is to bring people together through understanding various exotic places in the world. The focus of the park, Pope says, are five areas or lands, themed to specific exotic destinations including Egypt, Thailand, Peru, Russia and New Zealand. The park will include both educational and family-friendly entertainment as well as thrill rides and attractions.

The release also mentions the park will offer live entertainment, with performances by "Stars on Ice" planned for one of the lands.

A spokesman for the "Smuckers Stars on Ice" Tour, a subsidiary of Cleveland-based IMG, says he is not aware of any proposed agreement.

One local theme park consultant doesn't hold out much hope for the planned theme park. He estimates the park's chances of getting off the ground as "slim to none."

Steve Baker, founder of Baker Leisure Group LLC, says the park is the problem. "It's as big as Epcot -- twice as big as the Magic Kingdom," Baker says. "Who will they entertain? They need 2 to 3 million in attendance just to cover their costs."

"The other stuff makes the money," he adds. "That's what allows them to lose money on the park and still make out."
 

no2apprentice

Well-Known Member
If IOA numbers are not that threatening to WDW, I can't imagine what theme park would be enough of a concern for them to build a fifth park.

But I'll also be the first to admit that I don't follow the inside track on theme parks and potential developers/investors. WDW certainly panicked when Universal decided to build US (in my opinion), but if they weren't willing to do a fifth park to fight back at IOA, I don't see why anything else would concern them.
 

speck76

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no2apprentice said:
WDW certainly panicked when Universal decided to build US (in my opinion), but if they weren't willing to do a fifth park to fight back at IOA, I don't see why anything else would concern them.

Exactly.....

When USF was announced, WDW was MUCH smaller....only two parks....

To add another large park to Orlando, along with SeaWorld, Boardwalk and Baseball, and to a lesser extent BGT (which was a much lesser park in the 80's) WDW was suddenly outnumbered. The non-Disney parks could have joined up and offered packages VERY competitive to WDW (which they do now, but it no longer has the impact).

WDW did not lose a bit of attendance when IOA opened......if this park, which was supposed to threaten them, didn't hurt them at all, no amateur park will either.
 

XSTech

New Member
Down the street from my house, in Winter Garden, Sembler is planning on building Florida's largest outdoor shopping plaza, which evidently takes up more land than the Magic Kingdom. They have recently reduced the number of acres that it takes up due to residents' complaints and protest... however, the place is still HUGE. Did I mention it's going up right down the street from my brand new house?

Here's their web site:
http://www.wintergardenvillage.com/

It's supposed to be themed in a "Main Street" sort of way. You'll definitely be able to see the Magic Kingdom's fireworks every night from the streets in this outdoor mall, as they are only 15 minutes away. I can see them from my upstairs window and feel the finale of Wishes from my living room every night.

Not sure if this particular area is any of the above mentioned land purchases... but it's certainly big enough to be worth noting.
 

Woody13

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First Person: Vedaland!

We finally discover the price of peace: It’s about a billion dollars

by Steve Lowery

I went to a garden party—at least, that’s what the marquee inside the Hyatt Newporter said on June 8: "An Evening of World Peace . . . Garden Room 1." In Garden Room 1, a banquet hall that borders a patio, I sat down among about 100 adherents and leaders of the Transcendental Meditation (TM) movement. On the patio, a group of luxury-car executives talked more and more loudly about their golf games while we talked softly and ate vegetarian inside. We had come to learn about meditating for peace. I was thinking what easy pickings this lot was: high-minded, soft-spoken fish in a barrel. Easy pickings, the way of all true believers. When the lady across the table huffed, "How can you eat steak and then talk about peace?" I thought I had hit the cross-legged, sitting-duck jackpot.

There was a problem, though. They were all so rational, so—I’m going to say it—nice. They believed very much in their way, that the mind can not only produce inner peace but, when combined with other like thoughts, also produce a kind of field effect of peace throughout the world—but had nothing ill to say of other ways. The latter being proof of what one speaker after another said: "We are not a religion."

They welcomed all people, they said, though, on this night in Newport Beach, they were especially interested in welcoming people with lots of money.

"World peace comes down to money," said Neil Paterson, director of the Endowment Fund for Perpetual World Peace. He wasn’t talking about economic justice; it was strictly cash or check. "If anyone here knows any people of influence or, better, any millionaires or billionaires, we are always eager to talk to them," he said, and then I thought that the TM folks were maybe more of a religion than they knew.

What they want the money for is a noble cause—the noblest. Peace. They want to build TM universities throughout the world, including four in the United States, where students would meditate for and produce peace. What is needed, the speakers said, is a different way. What man has tried to accomplish through smart bombs can only be achieved through a change of mind. Violence produces only more violence. But it won’t come cheap, as Paterson said throughout the evening. Each university will cost $15 million to build and $70 million to $80 million to maintain, and the TM people would like to have a $1 billion trust fund for the universities.

When you’re talking that kind of money, even in Newport Beach, you had better be able to produce the goods. Your garden-variety millionaires and billionaires are not in the habit of opening their checkbooks without some hard facts and, of course, a floor show. The TMsters brought up two medical doctors and one physicist to talk about the scientific proof of what they were proposing to do.

This was not some New Age shtick; this was proven science! Dr. Volker Schanbacher, whose reedy voice and thick German accent made it appear that he received his degree from central casting, spoke of electromagnetism and gravitation, of the Meissner Effect and the Maharishi Effect, and he did so with examples of boiling pots of water and lasers. He talked about meditation producing the Maharishi Effect for America, a land that would be "invincible to harmful influence from the outside" because of something he called our cultural integrity and internal coherence, which made me wonder if he had ever been to Texas.

He was very convincing in that no one had any idea what he was saying.

"Did any of that make any sense to you?" the man next to me asked.

"Not much. How about you?"

"I understood the part about gravity making the pen fall to the ground. After that . . ."

As the evening drew to a close, Paterson brought up the big attraction: magician Doug Henning, who had given up a successful career on TV and Broadway to hang with the Maharishi in Holland and build a TM theme park called Vedaland.

"What’s Vedaland?" I asked the guy next to me.

"It’s kind of like an amusement park, except that instead of a lot of rides, you get a good feeling about the way the world could be."

"Kind of what Disneyland was originally intended to be."

"Yeah, I guess you’re right. I think Walt Disney must have been very enlightened."

Henning was soon onstage and was very good, very funny. He’s a wee man—though, sitting next to him at dinner, I can tell you that he is one voracious Canadian. He ate plate after plate of beans—the magical fruit; there are no accidents, my friend—and then began picking legumes off his Julie Hagerty-sweet, well-toned wife, who began blocking his advances with her fork. But the magic was very good: torn napkins and steel rings employed to show what a mess the world is in, his magic used to show what TM could produce. It was nice.

Everyone clapped, and then Paterson got up to talk again. If anyone had missed his point that evening, he repeated it: they needed money—lots of it. He was not soliciting $10 and $20 chump change. He wanted big dollars. He talked about how easy it would be to accomplish all that had been spoken of this evening if just the top 100 richest families in America would donate 1 percent of their wealth. He said he thought they’d want to do that, since "rich people have the most to gain from peace." Really? I always thought that rich people had the most to gain from wars. I always thought that countries usually go to war for the interests of their richest families, families that level hillsides and draw oil on shorelines, families that grow fat off misery and cheap labor, families that produce weapons to kill the sons of poor families. But maybe that’s just me.

As the evening broke up, people gathered into small groups, smiling faces and pleasant talk. Whether they were passing along the names and numbers of billionaire buddies, I can’t say. I couldn’t hear. I was too busy listening to the fan ask Henning how his new Vedaland park was coming.

"Great," Henning said. "I think we just got financing."

http://www.ocweekly.com/printme.php?&eid=6555

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Testtrack321

Well-Known Member
TimeTrip said:
Wow. This looks like the theme park equivalent of the phantom console :). Unlikely to actually make it, and if it does, it will fail miserably!

Except when everyone finds out they are a hoax and their main office is a PO Box they won't sue! :lol:
 

1disneydood

Active Member
All we need is WDW to open up another park before the others are complete. Everest won't make it complete. IMO EPCOT needs serious help and MGM isn't complete either.

If I were Disney, I'd open up a smallish thrill park on property to draw the teens who are so bored :rolleyes: and other thrillseekers. But complete what they started first, sheesh.
 

Pongo

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Original Poster
1disneydood said:
If I were Disney, I'd open up a smallish thrill park on property to draw the teens who are so bored :rolleyes: and other thrillseekers. But complete what they started first, sheesh.

I think that's one of the niches that DisneyQuest and the water parks fill.

I'm surious as to what these "mind-blowing" fifth park plans are are.

:rolleyes:
 

speck76

Well-Known Member
1disneydood said:
If I were Disney, I'd open up a smallish thrill park on property to draw the teens who are so bored :rolleyes: and other thrillseekers. But complete what they started first, sheesh.

Look at the people who are really into thrill parks......they are typically not at the top of the economic food chain...

Teens....they have no money either, in comparison to the upper-middle class family of 4 from the northeastern US that visits.

Have you ever seen the profile of a typical tourist to Orlando....probably not, but they are not the type to go gaga over a thrill park. (If they were, IOA would be the most popular park in town, instead of being the least attended major park).

Typical Orlando Guest (courtesy of the Orlando CVB) for Non-FL Domestic Residents
Avg household income: $70,757
Avg party size: 3.1 people
46% Families
33% Couples
79% Visit a Theme Park
62% Stay in a hotel
37% fly to Orlando
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
There is a huge untapped market out there of people that avoid Orlando because of the "kiddie" parks. Using the term "thrill" park is too loaded a term, but if a highly-themed park without the artifical "tiny toddlers and the extremely elderly" limitation was created, a whole new type of theme park patron would appear overnight. These people would then give a chance to the remaining parks, and discover things they didn't know were there because they avoided Orlando in the first place.

Let's hope Disney is the one to do this - that way we are ensured it will be done with class, magic, and artistry. Then truly WDW would be a place for everyone.

AEfx
 
300 million for the theme park??? How much did the parking structure at Disneyland cost? A brand new theme park competing with Disney would need to invest far more than that. Let's hope there is enough room in the cemetery next to boardwalk and baseball/circus world and splendid china.
 

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