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Interesting Disney Parks Survey Question I got Today - Tiered Ticket Pricing by Season
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PhotoDave219
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Look at the Calendar for MK in the past year. Aside from Hard Ticket Events, when have they closed early or park hours were less, meaning before 9PM?
PhotoDave219
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.....Which is fine unless your resort has peak attendance EVERY DAY.
They're trying to force a "locals" supported park (Disneyland) ticket pricing model on an International Resort Destination.
The way guests visit the Walt Disney World resort is not conducive to supporting such a model.
JillC LI
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To clarify, by DLP I meant Disneyland Paris (not DLR or Disneyland Resort CA) which I do not think is a locals supported park.
PhotoDave219
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I Understand that. I knew what you meant.
However the guest makeup and the way people tour the Walt Disney World resort is unlike any other Disney park in the world. That's my point. It's always busy, there are no slow days, there isn't an off season. It's constantly busy and there's no need for a multi-tiered pricing.
The only thing I could see working (Glendale, take notes) is premium pricing around Christmas and Spring Break. I could see that working.
But three tiers? There's not enough of a difference between an average weekend and an average weekday to justify the price difference.
BrianV
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Maybe. But not sure I'd be happy if I came over from the poly at 10 and they told me the park was at capacity already.
njDizFan
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I just payed for my Groupon to Busch Gardens Williamsburg...$42 for 7 days. Now that's a deal, plus they actually opened a new attration for this summer.
I like @ParentsOf4 perspective on how the intervals between visits may change your perspective. I'm sure Disney has analysis on how often a family books a trip and how many are once in a lifetime etc but if the average family only goes every 3-5-10 years it will take a long time for the cycle to come back around before Disney will see diminished guest satisfaction. For a family that visited in 2005 during a slow season will have a very different perspective when they visit again in 2015 when that off season does not exist. Or a perceived lack of maintenence, too much pre-planning, lag on new attractions.
It may take years or decades for the momentum to build where we see actual declining attendence numbers. But then it may be very difficult to stop, but hey Iger will already be gone(stilll Wall Street's darling) and it will be another person's problem.
I like @ParentsOf4 perspective on how the intervals between visits may change your perspective. I'm sure Disney has analysis on how often a family books a trip and how many are once in a lifetime etc but if the average family only goes every 3-5-10 years it will take a long time for the cycle to come back around before Disney will see diminished guest satisfaction. For a family that visited in 2005 during a slow season will have a very different perspective when they visit again in 2015 when that off season does not exist. Or a perceived lack of maintenence, too much pre-planning, lag on new attractions.
It may take years or decades for the momentum to build where we see actual declining attendence numbers. But then it may be very difficult to stop, but hey Iger will already be gone(stilll Wall Street's darling) and it will be another person's problem.
ParentsOf4
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The LA Times has posted an article about the survey:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-disneyland-peak-pricing-20150528-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-disneyland-peak-pricing-20150528-story.html
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Nope. You're poor. You clearly can't afford a condo. Never mind that a condo right outside of WDW costs marginally more then a decent amount of points through Disney.
wogwog
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You were not supposed to figure that out.
jensenrick
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Oh my God, I never thought I'd see the day. This is the worst idea ever.
cdd89
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I think I'd question that... You only have to look at the fast pass machines to see there are an awful lot of annual pass holders there. They "push" annual passes harder than any other Disney park I've seen, with some very competitive pricing (although the rumours are that will change significantly!).
There are also a load of people on discounted bargain-basement tickets that deny the use of Fastpass until 4pm, who I'd say are likely to be a further different demographic of locals (I wish they wouldn't sell these tickets personally).
Also, the park is an order of magnitude busier on weekends than on weekdays. Compare that to the ultimate non-Locals park (WDW) where there's barely a noticeable difference.
So those are my arguments in favour of it being a locals park. I'm open however to hearing the counterarguments
IMFearless
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It seems to me the attendance demand at the parks created by WDW resort guests can easily be controlled by changing the pricing of the hotel rooms. If you run at 93% occupancy onsite every night of the year, you essentially would have a stable number of guests coming from onsite hotels into the parks.
It is the increased demand caused by off site guests at peak times, which causes the fluctuations in attendance which Disney cannot control by adjusting their other prices.
It would make more sense to have a separate category of tickets for off site guests, which could be priced according to demand, in order to control attendance coming from offsite.
Attendance from onsite can already be controlled through the adjustment of hotel room rates, it seems ridiculous to bring in these complicated tickets for guests staying onsite when you can essentially control that population by flexible pricing already.
It is the increased demand caused by off site guests at peak times, which causes the fluctuations in attendance which Disney cannot control by adjusting their other prices.
It would make more sense to have a separate category of tickets for off site guests, which could be priced according to demand, in order to control attendance coming from offsite.
Attendance from onsite can already be controlled through the adjustment of hotel room rates, it seems ridiculous to bring in these complicated tickets for guests staying onsite when you can essentially control that population by flexible pricing already.
raven
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Disney is raising their prices at the same time that other local parks are offering deals. Sea World is offering 2 days for $80 and brought back the Buy-One-Day-Get-The-Year-Free deal and Busch Gardens has a 2-day plus 2 meal deal for around $120. On top of that I just got an annual pass for the I-Drive 365 complex (Orlando Eye, Madame Tusaudes Wax Museum & Aquarium) that also includes Legoland and Legoland waterpark AP for only $150.
math mathson
Active Member
I'm not a big fan of this, but does anyone have a problem with the fact that they already do this for room rates?
Kingoglow
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That is clever. Create a category of ticket prices for off-site guests and tune the price of hotels to encourage people to stay on property (instead of forcing them off property with outrageous hotel prices). But the way that Disney would handle it would be to just increase the price of non-resort guests and not lower any other pricing.
AP prices are going to sky rocket too; we all see that, right? I know that we like to think that we are valued members to the club but really, they don't need us. There is enough demand at WDW that they could have AP numbers drop off significantly and still fill the void with families that will pay for meals and buy merchandise. APs could probably go up by 50% at WDW.
Kingoglow
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Other than the fact that rooms rates on property are really high in general... I don't have issue with them tiering the prices for rooms. However, the big difference is that Disney's ticket scheme will automatically charge you the highest ticket price for every day of your stay. While the room rates are priced so that you pay a higher rate on Fri-Sun and lower the rest of the week and they individually add up each day at it's own rate.
But as I said earlier in this thread, we all know that we can purchase split stays so if I were plan my vacation on weekdays designated Silver and a Weekend designated gold, I can save big money buy having to vacation stays: the first on the weekdays to take advantage of Silver pricing. The second, on the Weekend to choke down Gold prices (or just head to a competitor those days).