interesting article

sweetpee_1993

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I read the article. The only mention of Disney is for the attention it brings. The paths those peoples' lives are on and their circumstances are the product of their own choices. I'm sorry, if you haven't paid your rent then you should be evicted. Why should they be a financial burden to the property owners? The property owners have to make money to live, too. If/when minimum wage is raised the overall cost of living will also rise. It still is up to people to work, plan, and make the right decisions. The family shown in the pictures had stuff piled chest-high. Where did all that come from?

Again, it's an article that probably nobody would've read had Disney not been shoe-horned in.
 

Figaro928

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Original Poster
completely agree with you. When I was reading it, I was looking for the Disney connection. I'm sure this is a nation-wide problem, but the fact that they focused in on the Orlando area was interesting to me.
 

Tonka's Skipper

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I am sorry those folks are having a rough time of it. However I do get tired of anyone who is writing a article on anything and then uses the Disney name to get the article attention.

Better if they had some talent and/or writing something unusual or something we are aware of to get attention.

This is especially common with the print media in the Orlando area. If there's a car accident within a mile of WDW, the article mentions the Disney name at least a dozen times, even if DWDW had nothing to do with the accident.


AKK
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
Using Disney is the article's header was clearly just an attempt to gain eyeballs (it worked!). However, I have certainly noticed this phenomenon along 192.
 

WDW1974

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You know, I should be smarter than to wade into a thread that is going to be politically charged, but this topic just angers me so because it is fluffed off as irresponsible people who should get better jobs and pay their bills and why is everyone picking on Disney BS.

I'm sorry to my rightwinged pals, but Disney doesn't pay living wages to the vast majority of its CMs. And as the largest employer in the state of Florida, maybe just maybe they bear some responsibility when their workers are living 3-4-5 to a room in old motels on US 192 to avoid being homeless.

I really don't want to hear that people can simply get better jobs because that is ignorant beyond all rational thought. It would be nice if it were true, but the reality is it isn't. And people get into lives that trap you like quicksand, just because it has never happened to you doesn't make it untrue or something made up by the media.

If you knew how many adult Americans were unemployed, underemployed or just plain gave up on life, then you might be spurred to actually do something about it. You know, something real ... not say praying for them.

Much better to blame people for being lazy or making poor choices. Those same defenses were what were used in the economic collapse of 2008. You know, the one caused by greedy people charging up credit cards and buying $500,000 homes when they could only afford $170,000 ones. It had nothing at all to do with government policies that allowed banks to lie and make things up and sell financial products that existed in the same way Pixie Dust does.

UGH!!!! ... Seriously, let @slappy magoo battle this. I've got a vacation coming up and really have no desire to battle against insanity.
 

sweetpee_1993

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Nope...just get in the car and hope you get a job at 7-11. LOL Ok ok, I'm done, I'll lay off.
It's okay. I really had to bite my lip, too. My husband has had a few offers in Orlando, twice with Disney. The cost of living and low pay make not living there a no-brainer. No way. Before we ever moved anywhere we had a job or jobs to go to & researched cost of living. Basic stuff.
 

WDW1974

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I almost agree totally with that ^^^^^^. And it is rare that I can say that about a post from '74.

Well, not totally, but with the core point of not putting all the blame on the downtrodden.

That's just a sign of progress! :-)

And I am beyond tired of people living comfortably passing judgment on those in our society who are struggling. For a nation that sells the PR that we are so compassionate, I absolutely don't see it unless a kitten falls in a sewer drain or something of that ilk.

No, everyone working in theme parks shouldn't be paid $25 an hour starting now. But we have a MAJOR problem in our society with not nearly enough well-paying jobs for everyone from college grads to professionals to, yes, blue collar workers. It is going to make us third world if we don't wake up and start doing things fundamentally different. And, this isn't about which political party you support as they are both good for nothing, this is about putting value on workers ... on people, which Wall Street is fundamentally not going to support.
 

slappy magoo

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UGH!!!! ... Seriously, let @slappy magoo battle this. I've got a vacation coming up and really have no desire to battle against insanity.

I'm not sure how much of this I need to "battle." Everyone else has pointed out the exact same thing I would had I seen this earlier - the problem with people being unemployed and/or underemployed is not isolated to a 5 mile radius around WDW. The idea that a person without a permanent residence might be cleaning your hotel room or busing your restaurant table could be true in any vacation destination in the world.

The detached irony of some of the posts I'm reading is this - sometimes you'll hear about people on public assistance because, where they live, they can't find a job to support them. And you'll inevitably hear or read responses along the lines of "Well, MOVE! Sell your crap, sell your car if you need to and go to where you can find a damn job, knuckleheads! Why should MY tax dollars go to support YOU because you're too lazy to go where the jobs are?" Now, never mind the fact that there are more unemployed people in the country right now than there are jobs to support them and it's been like that for a quite a while. And never mind that many (not all) of the jobs that have been created since the recession don't pay the kinds of wages to get you beyond a one-paycheck-away-from-bankruptcy scenario. Here are people who DID move to where they thought the jobs were, and it's not the worst assumption, the idea that in the #1 vacation destination there is always the need for people willing to work hard. And yet they still can't get ahead, so this breed of cat gets dumped on, too. They go from "Hey, sell all you own and move to where you can find a job" to "Who MOVES before saving the money necessary to pay for a new apartment? And didn't you think about applying for jobs BEFORE moving?"

Guess they should've thought about the consequences of poverty before letting themselves become poor.
 
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MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
I just can't believe we are a society that advocates throwing anyone, but especially children, onto the street because of a lack of financial means.

But let's all plan that next $8,000 MAGICal WDW vacation ... and wonder why some of the CMs aren't smiling.
I'd like to not believe that, but I think the fact that we are such a society has been proven to the point where I must accept that it is true, even if I don't accept that it is right.
 

MichWolv

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Premium Member
While it might sound a little cruel...

We prefer to stay ON Site... having read the article? We are ABSOLUTELY staying ON SITE.
While there are lots of good reasons for staying on site, fear of passing by poor people who live in cheap hotels doesn't seem like one of them. As I said, I have noticed this phenomenon on 192, the same way I have noticed that there are many cheap gift shops. Passing the gift shops doesn't cause me any fear or pain, nor does passing cheap hotels or the people who live in them. The knowledge that there are people living in such situations bothers me, but the knowledge exists whether I stay off site and pass the hotels, or stay onsite and don't.
 

Cubfan300

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That's just a sign of progress! :)

And I am beyond tired of people living comfortably passing judgment on those in our society who are struggling. For a nation that sells the PR that we are so compassionate, I absolutely don't see it unless a kitten falls in a sewer drain or something of that ilk.

No, everyone working in theme parks shouldn't be paid $25 an hour starting now. But we have a MAJOR problem in our society with not nearly enough well-paying jobs for everyone from college grads to professionals to, yes, blue collar workers. It is going to make us third world if we don't wake up and start doing things fundamentally different. And, this isn't about which political party you support as they are both good for nothing, this is about putting value on workers ... on people, which Wall Street is fundamentally not going to support.
Seriously....you don't think that some of us who are now "living comfortably" didn't struggle?? I made poor choices early in life, along with a couple of good ones, namely joining the Air Force, that caused significant issues in my 20's and 30's. At one point, I had no job after having back surgery a month prior, a wife, a child with a chronic, life altering health condition, a house payment I could no longer afford because the savings was gone, etc. I went to the public aid office where I was told that I was ineligible for services because I owned too many assets and that I would need to sell one of my two cars, both of which were still financed (and one that I am still driving 8 years later). Couldn't even get KidCare for my son, although I had zero income. So, I filed for Chapter 13, took 2 jobs I was massively overqualified for, began working 70-80 hours a week, and kept my head above water while I found a job that paid what I was making before I was let go. I don't care what your circumstance is, if you want to live like the subjects of the article were, you will find a way, just as if you want to be successful and live nicely, you will find a way.
And yes, because I gave four years of my life in service to my country, I was able to go to college and get an education in a field that prepared me for living a lifestyle I wanted to live. But, in order to get that education, I put my life on the line right after high school while my friends either got jobs and lived it up or went to college. I sacrificed because I wanted something more than a subsistance lifestyle.
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
Seriously....you don't think that some of us who are now "living comfortably" didn't struggle?? I made poor choices early in life, along with a couple of good ones, namely joining the Air Force, that caused significant issues in my 20's and 30's. At one point, I had no job after having back surgery a month prior, a wife, a child with a chronic, life altering health condition, a house payment I could no longer afford because the savings was gone, etc. I went to the public aid office where I was told that I was ineligible for services because I owned too many assets and that I would need to sell one of my two cars, both of which were still financed (and one that I am still driving 8 years later). Couldn't even get KidCare for my son, although I had zero income. So, I filed for Chapter 13, took 2 jobs I was massively overqualified for, began working 70-80 hours a week, and kept my head above water while I found a job that paid what I was making before I was let go. I don't care what your circumstance is, if you want to live like the subjects of the article were, you will find a way, just as if you want to be successful and live nicely, you will find a way.
And yes, because I gave four years of my life in service to my country, I was able to go to college and get an education in a field that prepared me for living a lifestyle I wanted to live. But, in order to get that education, I put my life on the line right after high school while my friends either got jobs and lived it up or went to college. I sacrificed because I wanted something more than a subsistance lifestyle.
Here I am, defending 74. :eek:

He never said anything about those who are living comfortably, as he himself is. Nor did he suggest a lack of respect for one who have dealt with hard times and succeeded. He was talking about compassion for those who are still dealing with hard times.

I agree that those who want to live in crappy hotels with no money can find a way to do so. But that shouldn't lead to a conclusion that all, most, or even many who are living that way actually do want to do so. It seems far more likely that they, like you, are there because of mistakes and bad luck and would love to get out but haven't been able to accomplish what you did. Most of those try very hard to escape, but fail to do so, in part because of their own mistakes. Others are held down by lack of opportunity. And others have given up and are no longer trying because they wrongly believe there's no way to succeed. I feel bad for all those groups -- even the ones that have stopped trying because they think it's pointless when it isn't. I get the idea, however, that some believe that if you're poor for a long time, the only (or most likely) reason is because you would rather be poor than work hard. I don't believe that is true.
 

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