Imagineer Tom Fitzgerald takes over the creative direction of Epcot

WDW1974

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I'd just love to see some actual proof that they really plan to do anything at all with Epcot. They put someone new in charge of imagineering, sure, but does that amount to drawing a bunch of sketches for attractions that will never be built because they will never receive funding?

Exactly.

We are now 2 1/2 years post Avatar announcement and where are the details? ... Bob Iger has said numerous times since buying Lucasfilm that there will be new Star Wars product in the theme parks (especially DL) and where is it?

So, there have been no announcements or even chatter about new projects for EPCOT and we get an Imagineer not known for being in touch with what guests/fans want taking over and someone who has never run a theme park being put in charge of operations at it ... how this translates to excitement, I'm not sure of.
 

matt9112

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Exactly.

We are now 2 1/2 years post Avatar announcement and where are the details? ... Bob Iger has said numerous times since buying Lucasfilm that there will be new Star Wars product in the theme parks (especially DL) and where is it?

So, there have been no announcements or even chatter about new projects for EPCOT and we get an Imagineer not known for being in touch with what guests/fans want taking over and someone who has never run a theme park being put in charge of operations at it ... how this translates to excitement, I'm not sure of.
you are smart
 

WDW1974

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I respectfully disagree.

I think for the right project at the right price -- as was the case with Bob Weis -- Sotto would return.

Now ask me what I think the likelihood is of that ever happening. :grumpy:

Eddie would return to WDI in a heartbeat, I believe.

It's in his blood. But WDI isn't in the habit of going after people that once worked for it. Bob was the exception to the rule and he was brought back to fix DCA figuring (correctly ... see, every once in a generation the powers that be can use common sense) that the guy who designed the park that it most closely resembles (Disney-MGM) and the park of which large pieces were 'borrowed' from (America) would be the perfect guy to handle the Extreme Makeover: Theme Park Edition.

And the carrot that was dangled over him was 'You do this for us and SDL is yours.''
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
Exactly.

We are now 2 1/2 years post Avatar announcement and where are the details? ... Bob Iger has said numerous times since buying Lucasfilm that there will be new Star Wars product in the theme parks (especially DL) and where is it?

So, there have been no announcements or even chatter about new projects for EPCOT and we get an Imagineer not known for being in touch with what guests/fans want taking over and someone who has never run a theme park being put in charge of operations at it ... how this translates to excitement, I'm not sure of.

I think the hope stems from the fact that many are thinking of this as a tacit admission that something is amiss in EPCOT. The more I cogitate on this, the more I wonder if this little corporate re-organization is even that. Of course @wdwmagic uses the phrase "creative direction" in the thread title which would be something ye olde prototype community of tomorrow hasn't had for a while. Perhaps, that is enough to generate excitement. I tend to think EPCOT needs 3 people with vision. One to advance WS, one to move FW forward, and one to yell, "Put up some f*&^%#! Christmas decorations for god's sake!" every year on November 1.
 

doctornick

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I think you nailed a big driver of this rumored project. EPCOT probably has a higher per guest spending level than any of the other 3 (even MK). This is probably mostly due to food/alcohol sales and shopping in WS. If they boost attendance at EPCOT they boost overall per guest spending which is a big goal right now.

While that may be true, I'm skeptical that "returning Epcot to its former glory" would generate the significant uptick in guest attendance than some here want to think it would. Or putting it another way, they'd probably get a bigger boost in attendance from spending $200M building a completely out of theme "E-ticket" (like a Frozen ride) than they would spending $500M giving FW a coherent theme/unity and edutainment offerings.

I guess what I'm saying is that from a practical standpoint, they really just need to add a ride or two that would spark people's interest in visiting the park because there is "something new" than they need to completely restore a unified theme. As someone who loved early Epcot, I'm not saying I'm excited by that prospect, but I just think that it is pragmatic. If we got some sort of Imagination revamp that is good + a new show in Eo + a new ride (either somewhere in WS or maybe in WoL) + the suspected Soarin' update/new theater, that's probably about as much as we can expect. (Maybe if we are lucky, we might see an Energy upgrade or new ending for SSE as well.) And, honestly, that would actually be enough I suspect to reverse stagnation at Epcot and increase guest numbers.

I think the real key is getting a quality new ride somewhere in the park in addition to the current offerings. I hope that might happen, but I am very skeptical unless a sponsor comes forward who wants to blow a wade of cash.
 

Beholder

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I'm choosing to be hopefully optimistic about this announcement. I'm fully aware of TDO-WDW's track record and it's seemingly inability to come through in a timely manner on ANYTHING. BUT, because, perhaps only because, it's something that really hits home with me. Some of my earliest memories at WDW are of this amazing and completely unique place that had the vision and simple audacity to not only entertain, but dared to teach. Unlike any other theme park, EPCOT was so powerful in its scope and execution. I dislike and loath so many things that's been allowed to happen over the years, that this announcement has reached into the part of my brain/heart that I've longed to hear. So maybe it's just me being so excited over something I've wanted to hear, or maybe I'm still a sucker. But I need a little more happiness so I'll (once again) give them the benifit of the doubt and hope for EPCOT's revival and a "return to the future", if you will.
 

Rodan75

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This may be a stretch, but if the next DVC after Poly is rumored to be at EPCOT or at least in the parking lot they may want to spruce up the place before points go on sale. Poly points will likely be on sale in a year to 18 months so probably 2018 or 2019 for EPCOT. Plenty of time to polish the old girl up. I have noticed a small uptick in SSR resale prices since the announcement of Disney Springs (could be unrelated, but it's up slightly compared to OKW). I do think it would greatly help sales to have some positive buzz about EPCOT when points went on sale.

I've got to imagine we only have 6-8 months at most before the poly points go on sale.
 

Rodan75

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While that may be true, I'm skeptical that "returning Epcot to its former glory" would generate the significant uptick in guest attendance than some here want to think it would. Or putting it another way, they'd probably get a bigger boost in attendance from spending $200M building a completely out of theme "E-ticket" (like a Frozen ride) than they would spending $500M giving FW a coherent theme/unity and edutainment offerings.

I guess what I'm saying is that from a practical standpoint, they really just need to add a ride or two that would spark people's interest in visiting the park because there is "something new" than they need to completely restore a unified theme. As someone who loved early Epcot, I'm not saying I'm excited by that prospect, but I just think that it is pragmatic. If we got some sort of Imagination revamp that is good + a new show in Eo + a new ride (either somewhere in WS or maybe in WoL) + the suspected Soarin' update/new theater, that's probably about as much as we can expect. (Maybe if we are lucky, we might see an Energy upgrade or new ending for SSE as well.) And, honestly, that would actually be enough I suspect to reverse stagnation at Epcot and increase guest numbers.

I think the real key is getting a quality new ride somewhere in the park in addition to the current offerings. I hope that might happen, but I am very skeptical unless a sponsor comes forward who wants to blow a wade of cash.

I really think the ratatouille ride would probably fit the bill...even if it drives some folks crazy. (And probably a quick Frozen overlay to Norway with a ABD kiosk)
 

Beholder

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I'm not sure EPCOT reimagined back to its roots wouldn't increase attendance. It would in effect become a "new" park. That's assuming of course they mean what they say, and do so accordingly. Possible? Yes. Probable? Going by recent indicators, not so much. I believe though that EPCOT in its original incarnation, updated of course, would/could be just as stunning today as it was then.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
While that may be true, I'm skeptical that "returning Epcot to its former glory" would generate the significant uptick in guest attendance than some here want to think it would. Or putting it another way, they'd probably get a bigger boost in attendance from spending $200M building a completely out of theme "E-ticket" (like a Frozen ride) than they would spending $500M giving FW a coherent theme/unity and edutainment offerings.

I guess what I'm saying is that from a practical standpoint, they really just need to add a ride or two that would spark people's interest in visiting the park because there is "something new" than they need to completely restore a unified theme. As someone who loved early Epcot, I'm not saying I'm excited by that prospect, but I just think that it is pragmatic. If we got some sort of Imagination revamp that is good + a new show in Eo + a new ride (either somewhere in WS or maybe in WoL) + the suspected Soarin' update/new theater, that's probably about as much as we can expect. (Maybe if we are lucky, we might see an Energy upgrade or new ending for SSE as well.) And, honestly, that would actually be enough I suspect to reverse stagnation at Epcot and increase guest numbers.

I think the real key is getting a quality new ride somewhere in the park in addition to the current offerings. I hope that might happen, but I am very skeptical unless a sponsor comes forward who wants to blow a wade of cash.
Probably all true. If they "reimagined" imagination, added a theater to Soarin and updated the film and maybe did something with innoventions that might be it. A new nighttime show wouldn't be out of the question either. Adding some additional lighting effects to the current show. I don't see them necessarily adding a new attraction anywhere, just cleaning up what's there and repurposing.
 

note2001

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They finally refurbed VWL...woohoo.

If you can call mixing up bathrrom hardware, replacing tile flooring with cheap linoleum, botching up the paint jobs on the kitchen cabinets and painting a lodge pastel colors, all a refurb, then yes. IMHO, they put someone in charge who only cared about taking the cheap and easy way out. Thankfully, refurbs don't change the base structure and eventually there will be another one.
 

Omnispace

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While that may be true, I'm skeptical that "returning Epcot to its former glory" would generate the significant uptick in guest attendance than some here want to think it would. Or putting it another way, they'd probably get a bigger boost in attendance from spending $200M building a completely out of theme "E-ticket" (like a Frozen ride) than they would spending $500M giving FW a coherent theme/unity and edutainment offerings.

I guess what I'm saying is that from a practical standpoint, they really just need to add a ride or two that would spark people's interest in visiting the park because there is "something new" than they need to completely restore a unified theme. As someone who loved early Epcot, I'm not saying I'm excited by that prospect, but I just think that it is pragmatic. If we got some sort of Imagination revamp that is good + a new show in Eo + a new ride (either somewhere in WS or maybe in WoL) + the suspected Soarin' update/new theater, that's probably about as much as we can expect. (Maybe if we are lucky, we might see an Energy upgrade or new ending for SSE as well.) And, honestly, that would actually be enough I suspect to reverse stagnation at Epcot and increase guest numbers.

I think the real key is getting a quality new ride somewhere in the park in addition to the current offerings. I hope that might happen, but I am very skeptical unless a sponsor comes forward who wants to blow a wade of cash.

You make some pretty good points. Even without reestablishing the focus on a theme for Epcot, the biggest hurdle is making the park seem fresh again and that means doing a little of something here and there, addressing the shows that seem very out-of-date and not classic (like Energy), and like you say coming up with a quality NEW attraction. The interesting thing about overlaying a theme for the park is that it is very easy to do from a marketing standpoint, through what they print in the park guides, and even something simple like consistent logos that used to make the park seem like a whole. Given their track record, there's unfortunately no guarantee that the edutainment/aspiring theme is going to return though. Something like re-branding Epcot as an "Adventure" park seems more likely, unfortunately. I hope I am wrong.
 

Rodan75

Well-Known Member
If you can call mixing up bathrrom hardware, replacing tile flooring with cheap linoleum, botching up the paint jobs on the kitchen cabinets and painting a lodge pastel colors, all a refurb, then yes. IMHO, they put someone in charge who only cared about taking the cheap and easy way out. Thankfully, refurbs don't change the base structure and eventually there will be another one.


I haven't been onsite yet, but the pics didn't look that bad. I'll be prepared to be ed off in June.
 

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